TSC Evaluation #7: CM Punk

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Mic Work: Slightly above average. Of course people are going to point to that overrate pipebomb shyt. But it was him just reciting smark forum material on tv. Other than that, he was good enough to lead a faction and cover his end of a feud but he wasn't lighting the world on fire like people act.

Ring Work: LOL....again overrated. Especially seeing as how people kind of lump him in with DB. Punk was okay. As others have stated he was sloppy with the moves. Like he didn't have natural athletic ability.

Character/Image/Persona:I guess this is where he shines. His fans see him as some huge underdog rebel who was held back, even though he had mutliple world titles reigns. And could basically hop on the mic any time he wanted. But his fans love him, i don't, but I'll concede this aspect to him just not being for me.

Overall: I gave him a 6. I feel like people have fabricated that "he paved the way for indie guys" stance. When RVD did it first. RVD is like the poster child of a guy jumping from American indies to the a major fed and winning world titles. LOL @ Punk "saving" WWE tho.
 

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I also mentioned he was a hybrid. I just put brawler because I don't consider him a technical wrestler. He isn't an aerial guy or powerhouse.
He was a technical wrestler. Undoubtedly. Even though he kind of sucked at doing technical stuff, because he was sloppy. Although he was also sloppy with his flying stuff, but that didn't stop him from doing it, either.
 

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Mic Work: Slightly above average. Of course people are going to point to that overrate pipebomb shyt. But it was him just reciting smark forum material on tv. Other than that, he was good enough to lead a faction and cover his end of a feud but he wasn't lighting the world on fire like people act.

Ring Work: LOL....again overrated. Especially seeing as how people kind of lump him in with DB. Punk was okay. As others have stated he was sloppy with the moves. Like he didn't have natural athletic ability.

Character/Image/Persona:I guess this is where he shines. His fans see him as some huge underdog rebel who was held back, even though he had mutliple world titles reigns. And could basically hop on the mic any time he wanted. But his fans love him, i don't, but I'll concede this aspect to him just not being for me.

Overall: I gave him a 6. I feel like people have fabricated that "he paved the way for indie guys" stance. When RVD did it first. RVD is like the poster child of a guy jumping from American indies to the a major fed and winning world titles. LOL @ Punk "saving" WWE tho.

RVD is a bad example because his drug bust ruined the push that he got and Heyman played a major role in that push. Punk was the main one who opened the door for the "indy" wrestlers.
 

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RVD is a bad example because his drug bust ruined the push that he got and Heyman played a major role in that push. Punk was the main one who opened the door for the "indy" wrestlers.
are we not counting ECW as indy? I mean Tajiri, Super Crazy, the Dudleys, etc...are we calling ECW like something else? And I mean what about the Paul Londons and Brian Kendricks that came through. To me they are as indyriffic as you could get. They were small and wore them ragedy ass basketball shorts like prototypical indy guys.
 

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are we not counting ECW as indy? I mean Tajiri, Super Crazy, the Dudleys, etc...are we calling ECW like something else? And I mean what about the Paul Londons and Brian Kendricks that came through. To me they are as indyriffic as you could get. They were small and wore them ragedy ass basketball shorts like prototypical indy guys.

London and Kendrick were nowhere close to holding World Titles as singles wrestlers.
RVD doesn't have an "indy" look. The Dudleys hardly count as indy guys. :leostare:
 

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RVD is a bad example because his drug bust ruined the push that he got and Heyman played a major role in that push. Punk was the main one who opened the door for the "indy" wrestlers.

RVD was already doing main events for the title in 2001 and 2002. He was so popular that he was added to the Austin/Angle storyline 3 months into his WWF run. Then he feuded with The Undertaker and spent the next however many years at the highest level you can be without being a full main eventer. Weird that you'd use Heyman's influence to downplay RVD's importance when CM Punk owes his entire WWE career to Paul Heyman.


London and Kendrick were nowhere close to holding World Titles as singles wrestlers.
RVD doesn't have an "indy" look. The Dudleys hardly count as indy guys. :leostare:

Now you're just making up arbitrary rules for what is or isn't something. What said "indy look" in the late 90s more than airbrushed gear, kick pads, and an undercut? The Dudleys were wearing t shirts and shorts and came directly from ECW. That's like saying the Briscoes hardly count as indy guys. If you're going by a "they're too large to be considered indy guys", then Cesaro and Luke Harper aren't indy guys. ECW was independent. It was more independent than ROH is now, but ROH is still an indy. ROH technically hasn't been an indy for years. Best believe a random dude getting signed from ROH is signing an indy dude.
 
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-Mic work/promos

6 - really overrated because a couple of great promos. He wasn't consistently memorable on the mic, but was always above average to good.

-Personality/gimmicks
6 - Best era was Straight edge society. He was intolerable as a babyface after the pipebomb promo, and was boring in his last heel run until Rock got involved.

-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds)
5 - He could hold his own, but that's about it. Very overrated in the ring. Just about every great WWE match he had, he was carried by a better worker. He never raised the level of the match by himself.

-Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores)
5 incredibly overrated, was never as good in reality as in his own head. Probably overachieved in WWE.
 

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-Mic work/promos Solid 8. Yeah he had a formula but lot of the guys do. Judging his overall body of work there are more than enough great Punk promos.

-Personality/gimmicks - 7. This wasn't his strong point imo but he excelled in other areas.

-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds) Giving this an 9. Hes had some great matches/feuds over his career. Cena, Joe, Hero, Brock, Aries, Bryan, Taker etc. Gotta give him props. He went with the best of them and put up his share.

-Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores) 9. Love him or hate him, no denying his career. Salute.
 

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10 (really a 9 but he and ziggler were my favorite wrestler since HBK and Flair so i dont care)

10 on the mic
9 in ring
8 gimmicks (best in the world gimmick made wrestling cool again)
 

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Mic Work: Slightly above average. Of course people are going to point to that overrate pipebomb shyt. But it was him just reciting smark forum material on tv. Other than that, he was good enough to lead a faction and cover his end of a feud but he wasn't lighting the world on fire like people act.

Ring Work: LOL....again overrated. Especially seeing as how people kind of lump him in with DB. Punk was okay. As others have stated he was sloppy with the moves. Like he didn't have natural athletic ability.

Character/Image/Persona:I guess this is where he shines. His fans see him as some huge underdog rebel who was held back, even though he had mutliple world titles reigns. And could basically hop on the mic any time he wanted. But his fans love him, i don't, but I'll concede this aspect to him just not being for me.

Overall: I gave him a 6. I feel like people have fabricated that "he paved the way for indie guys" stance. When RVD did it first. RVD is like the poster child of a guy jumping from American indies to the a major fed and winning world titles. LOL @ Punk "saving" WWE tho.
man ur a hater

he was a phenomenal mic worker. yes, he wasnt the m ost athletic in the ring, but story-telling wise he made up for it.
 

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CM Punk & Colt Cabana (2005): "Most women in the wrestling business are rats" - both describe intentionally injuring an aspiring female talent whenever she wanted to train so they could "keep her in check" & continue taking advantage of her for free transportation to shows

I'm not saying the woman in this story was going to be the next Jamie Hayter, but we'll never really know because of the way she was treated when it seemed like all she wanted was acceptance and some sort of safe 'in' to the wrestling world.



CM Punk: "The other unofficial member of the Gold Bond Mafia, of course if you ask any of us she's not a member, but to her- this is her world. I couldn't even tell you her real fukking name. (Punk holds up a picture of him groping a woman's breasts) She is the "Bikini Girl". That is strictly what we called her"

Colt Cabana: "And when we first saw her, I'll be honest, me and Chuck E Smooth were like 'oh this chick's totally hot, this chick's totally hot' - and we'll tell the story of how we spent years with her- and at the end she was the ugliest most disgusting girl of all time. I was grossed out by her."

CM Punk: "I HATED her"

Colt Cabana: "Everything that was about her was disgusting. But now the fact that - This proved the difference between some of the young guys growing up, and some of the guys - We understood the work of it. You know, how it's a work, how it's a business. And we got this girl every single week with her family van to drive us 300 miles every week. Not putting 1 mile on our car and us knowing that. Trying to not pay for gas as much as we could. **And she loved- she wanted to train. Like maybe we got her in the ring once and, you know, made sure to hurt her so she'd be out another 2 months (Punk begins laughing) but she'd still be with us 'because she was dedicated'** and uh-"

CM Punk: "The point is- and you know this is gonna sound real degrading - but like, **most women in the business are rats**. You know I mean that's a hard fact of life that you eventually realize and it was like - she got in the business. **And at the time she was like "Oh I wanna be a wrestler & I wanna train" --- I never saw her get in the ring. You know, like it just never happened. And when we did get in the ring, alls it took was a good forearm shot and then - that was it - she was done. So we always kinda kept her in check (Colt starts laughing),** but she would be "Bikini Girl". She would wear a bikini and walk around the ring when the show started & take people's ring jackets and you know, sunglasses."

Colt Cabana: "We'd make sure there was a spot for her, but- you know not a 'spot' but just whatever so she could drive us and no one would be spending- putting miles on our cars"

CM Punk: "No miles on our car. No gas out of our pocket. You know what I'm saying, because it was like - you know we weren't getting paid more than you know sometimes 30-40-50 bucks from Ian and stuff like that. And we certainly weren't getting trans'd (transported?) - so it was always like me, Chuck E, Cabana, Prazak, maybe occasionally somebody else. We'd always fill up that "Bikini Van", you know & drive it down. And- how many tickets would she get? None of us would ever drive. "Oh can one of you guys drive?" ..."Nahh you know I'm really tired", "i just got off of work" I mean, that was the thing where maybe somebody, a bunch of other young guys would probably just try to gangbang her and that'd be the last you'd see of her. We tried to get blood from that stone & we squeezed it like everything she was worth."

Colt Cabana: "She'd always have like snacks for us too."

CM Punk: "Yeah. Yeah. You know she's like one of these girls that who like her aspiration in life was to have a kid!

Colt Cabana: "Mom. She wanted to be a mom."

CM Punk: "She wanted to be a mom so she thought she was kinda like the den mother and we let her fukkin believe that. You know, (puts fingers to head like devil's horns) "Evil" you know blah blah blah. And we would just randomly try to get her booked on shows whenever we could so we didn't have to drive."

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