TSC Narratives that need to die

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

• That there isn't a healthy midcard
• that we need jobbers again
• that 50/50 booking is a problem

"50/50 booking" is a way to actually have a midcard that has multiple wrestlers who might actually win on a given night. back in the day when Jake Roberts, rick rude, razor ramon, koko b ware, they MIGHT win, they MIGHT lose, but that added interest to the match.

Rick rude vs. iron mike sharpe over and over, IDGAF ...rick rude vs. greg valentine...

the addition of jobbers with no names is INCREDIBLY BORING. Tell me how EXCITING was ryback's streak of beating 'local superstars'...exactly.

jobbers SUCK

it isn't entertaining...it was boring on Superstars as a kid [oh great, the rockers vs. local talent, IDGAF] and the defacto jobbers are the guys at the other end of those matches; the ryders/dangos/roses/axels of the world. they are charactors but they are JTTS, and thats fine.

quietly, the wwe has a SOLID MIDCARD...and EVERYONE between wade barrett to alberto del rio to mizark, can EASILY be rebuilt with 2-3 wins over or even a beatdown of main eventers and headline a ppv...don't believe me?

week 1 - cena announces his return, crowd is crazy, wade barrett comes out says he has unfinished business, they go face to face...end of raw he runs in and beats cena with a scepter
week 2 - the league of nations handcuffs cena at the end of raw, they all beat him down, only ambrose comes out to help, and is quickly beat by ADR
week 3 - tag match, ADR and Barrett vs cena and ambrose...
week 4 - contract signing, cena hits barrett with AA on table,
PPV - barrett may win, may lose. If he wins you can milk this for 2 more months with an i quit match and a ladder match even.

see how easy that is? Wade Barrett is a mid card guy but because he has history you can rebuild him easily. They have a lot of guys like that, and thats a good thing. They've done this in the past to mizark, r truth, sheamus, etc; it can work.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Dudes really in here tryna argue that talent doesn't get fed to cena
do u nikkas watch the show or just skim through it

Long post coming. Feel free to scroll past if you want. Cliff notes is a detailed account of everyone who has been buried by and fed to him. I may have even missed a few guys.


I can't imagine how someone can argue this isn't the case. Anyone who gets over immediately loses a few matches to him, or if he's a face then he turns heel and then loses a few matches to him. Edge as soon as he cashed in. Christian as soon as he came to raw, and then Christian was sent to smack down and his merchandise was taken off the website since it outsold cena's. Jericho and angle both were booked as chumps against him. Randy Orton losing clean at summer slam 2007 when cena had just beaten literally every main event guy on raw in the past year. What reason is there for a rematch after that? Taking the big gold belt off Jericho right away when he comes back from injury. Losing it at no way out only to take it back a month later after blackmailing his way into the title match and still spilling what he was using as leverage on Vicky. Did he need to beat Orton in both an I quit match and an iron man match in the fall? Sheamus was constantly presented as a fluke after beating him and Batista lost again and again and again to him in 2010 once he finally found the role he fit perfectly. What he did to the nexus is the textbook definition of burial. Miz got buried both in 2009 with the "you're a WWE never was line" and then losing 4 times and getting steamrolled by him. Del rio never recovered from tapping out to him a month after winning the title, he directly played a role in Ryder getting buried. Him VS Johnny ace was given priority over punk and Bryan feuding for the title . Was there any good reason for Brock to lose to him in 2012? Who thought presenting punk as a non credible champion when they feuded again in 2012? Mark Henry tapping clean did him no favors. When Bryan challenged him in 2013 he was presented as a charity case and sandow couldn't beat a one armed man when he challenged him in 2013 . Anyone want to explain what good it did they Wyatt family for cena to cut promo after promo after promo not taking them seriously and then winning every match against them and then squashing them in the fall of 2014? Losing a bunch to him didn't do ryback any favors. How about Kevin Owens losing a bunch by submission over the summer? Literally every act that gets hot starts losing clean to him as soon as they get hot until nobody cares about them anymore. That's the epitome of being fed to someone.

 

[jadillac]

Ryback was already done when they sacrificed him at the altar for The Shield and never let him look strong against them or get his win back. Cena didn't help matters tho.
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Ryback had a nice buzz going. The post-
WM crowd went CRAZY when he came out and attacked Cena. That beginning of his heel run had potential. Then they did their whole, "build him for a month, then feed him to Cena at the PPV" shtick. And it was over after that.

It's crazy how they do that.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Ryback had a nice buzz going. The post-
WM crowd went CRAZY when he came out and attacked Cena. That beginning of his heel run had potential. Then they did their whole, "build him for a month, then feed him to Cena at the PPV" shtick. And it was over after that.

It's crazy how they do that.

"They never have any plans going forward for anybody, except for Cena"

-CM Punk

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

But be real tho... you think if McDonald's bought out Burger King tomorrow, they'd start advertising the Whopper the same way they do the Big Mac? They'd probably have every BK location turned into a McDonald's location, because the people who own McDonald's are not invested in making Burger King competitive. Granted, they probably wouldn't do commercials where Ronald McDonald is beatin' up the King like Vince would... well actually, they probably would do that ... but they wouldn't be goin' out of their way to still promote Burger King products when they're still in business.

If u buy another company u either assimilate them into your company or try to run them separately and profitably it would make perfect sense for them to promote the whopper as much as they do the big mac

 

[jadillac]

"They never have any plans going forward for anybody, except for Cena"

-CM Punk

That's b/c it's EASY to make future plans when the only plan is to dominate.

 

[Da King]

TNA should get more love. I won't lie, I clown too, but the game needs competition.

The game does need competition, but T:flabbynfif:A isn't competition

 

[DANJ!]

If u buy another company u either assimilate them into your company or try to run them separately and profitably it would make perfect sense for them to promote the whopper as much as they do the big mac

Idealistically speaking, sure... but McDonald's wouldn't do that. They're fukkin' McDonalds, why would they care about BK's sandwiches when they could sell their own, or at best, turn BK's shyt into theirs? They would most likely assimilate them, but that's about as far as it goes... the BK products they wanted to keep pushing would then become McDonald's products. But it's doubtful they'd still put energy into promoting the actual BK brand itself. That's why I used BK as the example. If it was Taco Bell or some other restaurant that offers something dramatically different from the McDonald's brand, that'd be one thing. But you think they'd push another company's french fries when they already have french fries?

To be clear, I'm not sayin' Vince's WCW shyt isn't petty as fukk sometimes. But people shoulda known he wasn't gonna invest a lot of focus into pushing a company he had no ties to, when he could just consolidate it.

This also happens in the music industry.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Damn how did I miss this thread

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

That Sheamus wasn't/isn't a great heel.

 

[DANJ!]

Long post coming. Feel free to scroll past if you want. Cliff notes is a detailed account of everyone who has been buried by and fed to him. I may have even missed a few guys.


I can't imagine how someone can argue this isn't the case. Anyone who gets over immediately loses a few matches to him, or if he's a face then he turns heel and then loses a few matches to him. Edge as soon as he cashed in. Christian as soon as he came to raw, and then Christian was sent to smack down and his merchandise was taken off the website since it outsold cena's. Jericho and angle both were booked as chumps against him. Randy Orton losing clean at summer slam 2007 when cena had just beaten literally every main event guy on raw in the past year. What reason is there for a rematch after that? Taking the big gold belt off Jericho right away when he comes back from injury. Losing it at no way out only to take it back a month later after blackmailing his way into the title match and still spilling what he was using as leverage on Vicky. Did he need to beat Orton in both an I quit match and an iron man match in the fall? Sheamus was constantly presented as a fluke after beating him and Batista lost again and again and again to him in 2010 once he finally found the role he fit perfectly. What he did to the nexus is the textbook definition of burial. Miz got buried both in 2009 with the "you're a WWE never was line" and then losing 4 times and getting steamrolled by him. Del rio never recovered from tapping out to him a month after winning the title, he directly played a role in Ryder getting buried. Him VS Johnny ace was given priority over punk and Bryan feuding for the title . Was there any good reason for Brock to lose to him in 2012? Who thought presenting punk as a non credible champion when they feuded again in 2012? Mark Henry tapping clean did him no favors. When Bryan challenged him in 2013 he was presented as a charity case and sandow couldn't beat a one armed man when he challenged him in 2013 . Anyone want to explain what good it did they Wyatt family for cena to cut promo after promo after promo not taking them seriously and then winning every match against them and then squashing them in the fall of 2014? Losing a bunch to him didn't do ryback any favors. How about Kevin Owens losing a bunch by submission over the summer? Literally every act that gets hot starts losing clean to him as soon as they get hot until nobody cares about them anymore. That's the epitome of being fed to someone.

So what happens if these same people lose to someone else? If they lose to Orton, or Ambrose, or Ziggler, or whoever... are those burials too? Was it a burial when Cena himself was losing to Angle and Taker?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

So what happens if these same people lose to someone else? If they lose to Orton, or Ambrose, or Ziggler, or whoever... are those burials too? Was it a burial when Cena himself was losing to Angle and Taker?

are they presented as inferior when losing to those guys? who of note does ziggler ever beat? when cena lost to angle, he was on the way up and the narrative was that the young guy was on the way up, but he made young mistakes that a gold medalist capitalized on and taker has always been the gatekeeper. Go find me one main event level guy that looked worse as a result of a feud with him. Guys always ended up looking like they belonged when they feuded with him. Taker has put over countless guys. Find me anyone who cena legit put over in the blowoff of a feud

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

I hate the guy...he comes off as a scumbag just like his thread claims but...

The thought that Cena is presented the way that he is because it's what he wants NEEDS TO STOP.

He's the modern day Hogan and that is how he is booked, dude isn't going to say "that's not what's best for business" when they tell him "Owens will beat you, you will get your win back and then on the blow off you will win again", he ain't bout to be like "shouldn't Owens win".

 

[DANJ!]

are they presented as inferior when losing to those guys? who of note does ziggler ever beat? when cena lost to angle, he was on the way up and the narrative was that the young guy was on the way up, but he made young mistakes that a gold medalist capitalized on and taker has always been the gatekeeper. Go find me one main event level guy that looked worse as a result of a feud with him. Guys always ended up looking like they belonged when they feuded with him. Taker has put over countless guys. Find me anyone who cena legit put over in the blowoff of a feud

That's IWC shyt, man That's the same thing people did with HHH, who still gets it but he isn't on the roster actively anymore so I guess it moved over to Cena now. If this was 1989, it woulda been Hogan, with Warrior as Roman. Steve Austin was stunnin' MFs left and right and beatin' em with chairs every week with no getback, who was counting his wins & losses? It really just boils down to who people like and don't like. The same people mad every time Cena "buries" someone are the same ones who want all their favorites to go undefeated.

Every year, the IWC needs the one guy who's the villain destroying everyone's career, just like they need the one guy who's being done wrong and buried. Been goin' on forever...

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

That's IWC shyt, man That's the same thing people did with HHH, who still gets it but he isn't on the roster actively anymore so I guess it moved over to Cena now. If this was 1989, it woulda been Hogan, with Warrior as Roman. Everybody needs the one guy who's the villain destroying everyone's career, just like they need the one guy who's being done wrong and buried. Been goin' on forever...

there's a reason the crowd turned on him nearly 11 years ago. the most hated guy in the industry shouldn't be the guy presented as the top face. You can't book in 2005-present day like it's the late 1980's and expect good results. There is a reason ratings have been cut in less than half of what they were in 2004-05