Tupac Embodies The Smart Dumb Nygga

[Harry B]

You sure you're not talking about Rick Ross?

And his mom was considered a radical.She admits it herself.

Read up on The Panther 21 Trial.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Briar-Patch-Trial-Panther/dp/0306807998

"On April 2, 1969, New York policemen, armed with shotguns and wearing bulletproof vests, rounded up members of the Black Panther party. Thirteen of 21 suspects were then charged and tried for attempted arson, attempted murder, and conspiracies to blow up various police stations, school buildings, a railroad yard, and the Bronx Botanical Gardens. But the forces of "law and order" behaved in a decidedly less lawful manner than the defendants. This text examines the proceedings, illuminating not only the story of the Panther 21 but the quality of justice in America."


And all those external forces in Pac's life don't really matter.Some times you see the world the way you see it and there ain't nothing or nobody changing that.There's a internal pain there that nobody can touch.Coming from the family he came from, I'm quite sure he had a different perspective on the "American Dream" than most.People who're trying to submit to the system in order to "survive" probably won't understand you're unwillingness to conform.People don't understand your anger.

Pac was artistic, so I think he appreciated the arts for giving him a place to express himself.I don't feel like Pac was the most capitalistic rapper...he was no Jay Z..... probably less than 1% of his catalog was about some materialistic/money money money shyt.He always came off more bohemian to me.

Never said anything about them not being radicals, I was referring to militants. socialists are even categorized as radicals in the US.

I'm not talking about Pac's music, I'm talking about his life outside the booth.
The sudden change, the unexplainable admiration of the ultra flashy criminal lifestyle, from being super against black on black violence to being a promoter of it, how he could go from winning the game with a bad hand to losing with 2 aces etc..

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I'm not saying anything I don't know, I'm stating facts.. While not all of them, I'm drawing conclusions from what I know but since I didn't know him I can't claim that I know very much.
I got the info from living in San Francisco for a year.. He did meet some crack dealers, I think we all have.. In the 80s chances were a bit higher but by then he was already going on tour, making legal money dancing and on his way to becoming a star.

Would you like to inform me regards the negative shyt he was up to before entertainment business? Plus Afenis crack addiction?


I feel what you are saying about those things regarding his uncle, but from what I know it had no affect on his life. He defeated the odds and choose a path towards "righteousness". Only an extremely smart person could do regarding his circumstances and when he finally reached "heaven" he fukked it all up. And I question why he Haitian Jack and those sort of people were his role models, when the gangsters in his family were extremely low-key and when it wasn't it was for a "greater cause".

Also I feel that, yeah they had a "militant" approach, the same way the government has a militant approach. They were tired of being pawns in a fukked up, unfair, racist society and had to move like their own government. That's why I don't call them militants.

You'd be surprised how many smart bums you can find, intelligence doesn't always make up for character.

Never said anything about them not being radicals, I was referring to militants. socialists are even categorized as radicals in the US.

I'm not talking about Pac's music, I'm talking about his life outside the booth.
The sudden change, the unexplainable admiration of the ultra flashy criminal lifestyle, from being super against black on black violence to being a promoter of it, how he could go from winning the game with a bad hand to losing with 2 aces etc..

How do you know the change was sudden tho? Who's to say he never had influences like that in his life to begin with? This nikka lived in 1970s and early 80s NYC when shyt was at its most grimey so your bound to run into that shyt. Besides that, why wouldn't he suddenly enamored with flashy things if he ain't have shyt for his entire life? I explained the black on black violence part in another post in this thread. If the core audience your trying to reach is going through that, it's not a bad idea to speak on that topic from many angles. I get what your sayin the contradictions make his message inconsistent but rather than noticing he's human you was suppose to peep game, he felt like he was too far gone to make the difference he hoped for so he did what he could to hopefully inspire the minds that would do what he hoped, but couldn't do.

 

[Nomad1]

Everyone knows what the government called them, what they were is another thing. The cats were educated and all that which is how Pac was so educated, of course there was certain career criminals like Mutulu Shakur and others like him, who could've had a negative impact on Pac. But they were not about that flashy cocaine/diablo/goldwatch type of criminals, the lifestyle Pac admired.

And Marin County is not hood, there are some poor people but far from hood. Also can you provide a source of Afeni picking up her crack addiction earlier than his late teens? I don't even think he knew about it until even later than that.
Regarding the schools I'm not only talking about high school but acting academies as well and the school in cali Tamalpais is an awarded school as well all these schools and shyt was what gave him the contacts to most (if not all) of his early moves in entertainment.

Anyways Pac always expressed what he and his surroundings were forced to deal with, through his art and didn't take part of it until he made it (from what I know). He made smart moves, had many smart friends and relatives (although not very good parents), was a good student of everything and made it into the entertainment business early.. The question I wonder is why all the negative shyt started taking place after he made it.

Tupac was from the "jungle" in Marin City...it was rundown and from the top of the building in which they lived in, the suburbs were clearly visible. He was clearly in no suburb or middle class neighborhood lol (info from either "Last 24 hrs; Tupac" or "Thug Angel"). His home was so fukked up he had to live with a woman (I think her name was layla) and she eventually gave him the Digital Underground gig. So don't try to allude that the area in Marin City or the living conditions in his home were "great" or "adequate". It was anything but that.

Where is your evidence that Pac going to that school in Marin City opened up lanes for him in the entertainment world? If that's the case why would he take the role in Digital Underground that barely helped him get through the day?.....
Also, the beginning of the end for Tupac was in 1994 and im not talking about the Quad Studio shooting. When he did "Above the Film" it was the first time he been to New York in YEARS (according to Tupac of course). What does that have to do with anything? Well, this was the time he met Hatian Jack. These Brooklyn goons were trying to befriend Pac FIRST so they can use this as means to extort him later on (like every other NY rapper at the time). They basically put Pac in the best clubs, gave him money, jeweler, and protection. Thing is Hatian Jack snitched on Pac during the Rape case and the rest is history....Pac meeting those BK nikkas was the end for him. They wanted him to bow down to them after what happened and you know Pac was to prideful and dense to do that.

I know nikkas are calling me a "stan" for "" Pac but im trying to get an unbiased point across. nikkas talk trash about Pac's decisions with the Black Mafia (Jimmy Henchmen, King Tut, Hatian Jack, etc) and you nikkas are always saying "omg Pac didn't kill or run up against them goons after they shot him in the balls, so why did he bytch out?". Pac was NOT some sort of Batman that can swooping down New York and silently kill them nikkas like a black ninja. Those nikkas that your romanticizing are not only street but GOVERNMENT INFORMANTS! fukking SNITCHES! I wouldn't be surprised if they were working with the hip hop police solely to jail rappers! Yes Pac got a huge ass L from those nikkas when they shot him up (keep in mind they only shot him because 2pac pulled out double glocks this was supposed to be a robbery) and Pac got another Huge L for the Rape case (Hatian Jack snitched on Pac and set him up for the rape case). But what was Pac supposed to do? Half of you nikkas are calling him an ignorant c00n for beating up Orlando Anderson or for shooting two cops () or any other shyt he did. He did what he thought was best; Attack Badboy records, the record label being extorted by them BK goons and this would fukk up their money. Im actually still dying of laughter because one nikka said Suge was "AFRAID" of them BK nikkas the same nikka that had Mob Pirus, cops, and other higher up nikka on his payroll . Suge was at war with them South Sid Compton Crips (Puffy's backup that was set up by ZIP; that nikka ZIP had soooo much to do with Pac's death in Vegas but that's another story). So why fight with another type of goons halfway across the country? Henchmen wasn't even walking in LA streets so why would he care? We got a bunch of nikkas that don't want to understand Pac's situation at the time. Your whole premise of this thread is about his ignorance but ironically you're showing yours. That's the problem with Rap fans, you nikkas cannot think logically and rationally.

In summation, Henchmen and Hatian Jack gave 2pac two L's more than a decade ago, but where are they now? Last I heard Haitian Jack's snitch ass was deported (W for Pac ) and Henchmen was thrown in Jail (W for Pac )

"Promised a payback, Jimmy Henchman, in due time
I know you bytch nikkas is listenin, The World Is Mine"

You nikkas think Pac needs to be in the physical form to capture some W's? And these are the type of nikkas your ? A government informant and a snitch ass refugee?

 

[spliz]

I'm not saying anything I don't know, I'm stating facts.. While not all of them, I'm drawing conclusions from what I know but since I didn't know him I can't claim that I know very much.
I got the info from living in San Francisco for a year.. He did meet some crack dealers, I think we all have.. In the 80s chances were a bit higher but by then he was already going on tour, making legal money dancing and on his way to becoming a star.

Would you like to inform me regards the negative shyt he was up to before entertainment business? Plus Afenis crack addiction?


I feel what you are saying about those things regarding his uncle, but from what I know it had no affect on his life. He defeated the odds and choose a path towards "righteousness". Only an extremely smart person could do regarding his circumstances and when he finally reached "heaven" he fukked it all up. And I question why he Haitian Jack and those sort of people were his role models, when the gangsters in his family were extremely low-key and when it wasn't it was for a "greater cause".

Also I feel that, yeah they had a "militant" approach, the same way the government has a militant approach. They were tired of being pawns in a fukked up, unfair, racist society and had to move like their own government. That's why I don't call them militants.

son..from multiple accounts at the time..the place he went too..was called The Jungle..and it was alot of crime..Pac spoke on it himself..he went from bad neighborhood..to bad neighborhood...his whole life...he was homeless and living in shelters for 2 years when he moved to Cali...he ended up living with Geronimo Pratt's wife for a lil bit..Pac was in the streets..in wrong circles..nikka had a shooting incident before he was famous...even on the road when he was a backstage dancer...Shock G would say Pac was wild as fukk and tried to fight a whole club..beat up the sound man..all kinda shyt..dude always had a temper and this is something EVERYONE has said about him..he has an extreme personality...he's on the extreme side of each personality...he can be really really wild..or really really gentle...he had mad layers to his personality and this is why it would damn near be impossible to make a 2pac movie with an amateur actor...it's also a known thing that Pac started to change his views from when he was younger...he started to see shyt in a different way...and actually started to lose hope...u can't look at the world thru ur point of view and try to make sense of what Pac was doin...Pac most likely looked at the world in a unique view...a view it would be impossible for us to understand based on the way he came up...

 

[Harry B]

Tupac was from the "jungle" in Marin City...it was rundown and from the top of the building in which they lived in, the suburbs were clearly visible. He was clearly in no suburb or middle class neighborhood lol (info from either "Last 24 hrs; Tupac" or "Thug Angel"). His home was so fukked up he had to live with a woman (I think her name was layla) and she eventually gave him the Digital Underground gig. So don't try to allude that the area in Marin City or the living conditions in his home were "great" or "adequate". It was anything but that.

Where is your evidence that Pac going to that school in Marin City opened up lanes for him in the entertainment world? If that's the case why would he take the role in Digital Underground that barely helped him get through the day?.....
Also, the beginning of the end for Tupac was in 1994 and im not talking about the Quad Studio shooting. When he did "Above the Film" it was the first time he been to New York in YEARS (according to Tupac of course). What does that have to do with anything? Well, this was the time he met Hatian Jack. These Brooklyn goons were trying to befriend Pac FIRST so they can use this as means to extort him later on (like every other NY rapper at the time). They basically put Pac in the best clubs, gave him money, jeweler, and protection. Thing is Hatian Jack snitched on Pac during the Rape case and the rest is history....Pac meeting those BK nikkas was the end for him. They wanted him to bow down to them after what happened and you know Pac was to prideful and dense to do that.

I know nikkas are calling me a "stan" for "" Pac but im trying to get an unbiased point across. nikkas talk trash about Pac's decisions with the Black Mafia (Jimmy Henchmen, King Tut, Hatian Jack, etc) and you nikkas are always saying "omg Pac didn't kill or run up against them goons after they shot him in the balls, so why did he bytch out?". Pac was NOT some sort of Batman that can swooping down New York and silently kill them nikkas like a black ninja. Those nikkas that your romanticizing are not only street but GOVERNMENT INFORMANTS! fukking SNITCHES! I wouldn't be surprised if they were working with the hip hop police solely to jail rappers! Yes Pac got a huge ass L from those nikkas when they shot him up (keep in mind they only shot him because 2pac pulled out double glocks this was supposed to be a robbery) and Pac got another Huge L for the Rape case (Hatian Jack snitched on Pac and set him up for the rape case). But what was Pac supposed to do? Half of you nikkas are calling him an ignorant c00n for beating up Orlando Anderson or for shooting two cops () or any other shyt he did. He did what he thought was best; Attack Badboy records, the record label being extorted by them BK goons and this would fukk up their money. Im actually still dying of laughter because one nikka said Suge was "AFRAID" of them BK nikkas the same nikka that had Mob Pirus, cops, and other higher up nikka on his payroll . Suge was at war with them South Sid Compton Crips (Puffy's backup that was set up by ZIP; that nikka ZIP had soooo much to do with Pac's death in Vegas but that's another story). So why fight with another type of goons halfway across the country? Henchmen wasn't even walking in LA streets so why would he care? We got a bunch of nikkas that don't want to understand Pac's situation at the time. Your whole premise of this thread is about his ignorance but ironically you're showing yours. That's the problem with Rap fans, you nikkas cannot think logically and rationally.

In summation, Henchmen and Hatian Jack gave 2pac two L's more than a decade ago, but where are they now? Last I heard Haitian Jack's snitch ass was deported (W for Pac ) and Henchmen was thrown in Jail (W for Pac )

"Promised a payback, Jimmy Henchman, in due time
I know you bytch nikkas is listenin, The World Is Mine"

You nikkas think Pac needs to be in the physical form to capture some W's? And these are the type of nikkas your ? A government informant and a snitch ass refugee?

Besides the bolded which I will respond to.
What the fukk are you talking about?

edit. I don't respond to Pac stans. I'd rather try to discuss religion with Baku Harams leader.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Tupac was from the "jungle" in Marin City...it was rundown and from the top of the building in which they lived in, the suburbs were clearly visible. He was clearly in no suburb or middle class neighborhood lol (info from either "Last 24 hrs; Tupac" or "Thug Angel"). His home was so fukked up he had to live with a woman (I think her name was layla) and she eventually gave him the Digital Underground gig. So don't try to allude that the area in Marin City or the living conditions in his home were "great" or "adequate". It was anything but that.

Where is your evidence that Pac going to that school in Marin City opened up lanes for him in the entertainment world? If that's the case why would he take the role in Digital Underground that barely helped him get through the day?.....
Also, the beginning of the end for Tupac was in 1994 and im not talking about the Quad Studio shooting. When he did "Above the Film" it was the first time he been to New York in YEARS (according to Tupac of course). What does that have to do with anything? Well, this was the time he met Hatian Jack. These Brooklyn goons were trying to befriend Pac FIRST so they can use this as means to extort him later on (like every other NY rapper at the time). They basically put Pac in the best clubs, gave him money, jeweler, and protection. Thing is Hatian Jack snitched on Pac during the Rape case and the rest is history....Pac meeting those BK nikkas was the end for him. They wanted him to bow down to them after what happened and you know Pac was to prideful and dense to do that.

I know nikkas are calling me a "stan" for "" Pac but im trying to get an unbiased point across. nikkas talk trash about Pac's decisions with the Black Mafia (Jimmy Henchmen, King Tut, Hatian Jack, etc) and you nikkas are always saying "omg Pac didn't kill or run up against them goons after they shot him in the balls, so why did he bytch out?". Pac was NOT some sort of Batman that can swooping down New York and silently kill them nikkas like a black ninja. Those nikkas that your romanticizing are not only street but GOVERNMENT INFORMANTS! fukking SNITCHES! I wouldn't be surprised if they were working with the hip hop police solely to jail rappers! Yes Pac got a huge ass L from those nikkas when they shot him up (keep in mind they only shot him because 2pac pulled out double glocks this was supposed to be a robbery) and Pac got another Huge L for the Rape case (Hatian Jack snitched on Pac and set him up for the rape case). But what was Pac supposed to do? Half of you nikkas are calling him an ignorant c00n for beating up Orlando Anderson or for shooting two cops () or any other shyt he did. He did what he thought was best; Attack Badboy records, the record label being extorted by them BK goons and this would fukk up their money. Im actually still dying of laughter because one nikka said Suge was "AFRAID" of them BK nikkas the same nikka that had Mob Pirus, cops, and other higher up nikka on his payroll . Suge was at war with them South Sid Compton Crips (Puffy's backup that was set up by ZIP; that nikka ZIP had soooo much to do with Pac's death in Vegas but that's another story). So why fight with another type of goons halfway across the country? Henchmen wasn't even walking in LA streets so why would he care? We got a bunch of nikkas that don't want to understand Pac's situation at the time. Your whole premise of this thread is about his ignorance but ironically you're showing yours. That's the problem with Rap fans, you nikkas cannot think logically and rationally.

In summation, Henchmen and Hatian Jack gave 2pac two L's more than a decade ago, but where are they now? Last I heard Haitian Jack's snitch ass was deported (W for Pac ) and Henchmen was thrown in Jail (W for Pac )

"Promised a payback, Jimmy Henchman, in due time
I know you bytch nikkas is listenin, The World Is Mine"

You nikkas think Pac needs to be in the physical form to capture some W's? And these are the type of nikkas your ? A government informant and a snitch ass refugee?

This shyt really does baffle me tho...

I chalk it up to either they cacs, bootlickers, people that need to play contrarian cuz they hate overzealous Pac stans, or way too young to have known and paid attention to this kinda shyt.

 

[Nomad1]

Besides the bolded which I will respond to.
What the fukk are you talking about?

edit. I don't respond to Pac stans. I'd rather try to discuss religion with Baku Harams leader.

Sorry bro the upper part about Marin City was for you and the lower part was addressing other nikkas that addressed me. I was to lazy to make a separate response lol. Like I said im not a stan...hell look at the nikka in my avi it ain't Pac. Im using facts for my arguments not EMOTION.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Real shyt, just listen to his music and then listen to his interviews. Not the rah rah, just when he's on some real shyt. That's when shyt makes sense, grab a book or two from the library to tie up all the loose ends. Pac isn't Batman or some shyt like slim said, he was just a real stand up nikka that happened to have a unique background and upbringing. If you keep real nikkaz in your circle the shyt's recognizable. Real nikkaz all over the world hip.

 

[Nomad1]

Real shyt, just listen to his music and then listen to his interviews. Not the rah rah, just when he's on some real shyt. That's when shyt makes sense.

When Pac is acting ignorant it's usually when he is high on weed or drunk. When he is clear in the head he drops knowledge.

 

[Harry B]

son..from multiple accounts at the time..the place he went too..was called The Jungle..and it was alot of crime..Pac spoke on it himself...he went from bad neighborhood..to bad neighborhood...his whole life...he was homeless and living in shelters for 2 years when he moved to Cali...he ended up living with Geronimo Pratt's wife for a lil bit..Pac was in the streets..in wrong circles..nikka had a shooting incident before he was famous...even on the road when he was a backstage dancer...Shock G would say Pac was wild as fukk and tried to fight a whole club..beat up the sound man..all kinda shyt..dude always had a temper and this is something EVERYONE has said about him..he has an extreme personality...he's on the extreme side of each personality...he can be really really wild..or really really gentle...he had mad layers to his personality and this is why it would damn near be impossible to make a 2pac movie with an amateur actor...it's also a known thing that Pac started to change his views from when he was younger...he started to see shyt in a different way...and actually started to lose hope...u can't look at the world thru ur point of view and try to make sense of what Pac was doin...Pac most likely looked at the world in a unique view...a view it would be impossible for us to understand based on the way he came up...

I didn't know Pac was homeless, how could he finish school as a good student while he was homeless?
I know he fought with his mom and ran from home to sleep at his mans or whatever, I don't really call that homeless. Homeless is when you don't have a home.

And regarding Marin City, I'll admit that I might be uninformed to how it was in the late 80s.. My standpoint was based on the present.

Yes Pac seemed like a diverse person, hot-head or whatever.. But I've never heard of criminal activities.
I know people who were good peoples, dropped out of college and started fukking up as well, which is why I've always wondered how Pac's life could evolve like it did.
And also cause of all rappers he's easily got the most interesting and complex to explain.

 

[spliz]

and also.. @Harry B if u want some proof that Afeni was on drugs before he was in his late teens...there plenty of it...here's an excerpt right here...

Punishment for Tupac was reading The New York Times. Mutulu left the family and went underground. Legs came to live with the family, Tupac had always assumed that he was his real dad. Tupac said, "That is where the thug in me came from." He introduced Afeni to crack. In 1983, Tupac estimated that he'd lived in "like eighteen different places" when he started junior high. F.B.I. agents would come to Tupac at school and ask him if he had seen Mutulu.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

When Pac is acting ignorant it's usually when he is high on weed or drunk. When he is clear in the head he drops knowledge.

Nah, according to this thread when he was sober he was being a smart dumb nikka. Next nikkaz is gon be sayin Boosie a bytch, or Soulja Slim wasn't bout that life.

 

[spliz]

I didn't know Pac was homeless, how could he finish school as a good student while he was homeless?
I know he fought with his mom and ran from home to sleep at his mans or whatever, I don't really call that homeless. Homeless is when you don't have a home.

And regarding Marin City, I'll admit that I might be uninformed to how it was in the late 80s.. My standpoint was based on the present.

Yes Pac seemed like a diverse person, hot-head or whatever.. But I've never heard of criminal activities.
I know people who were good peoples, dropped out of college and started fukking up as well, which is why I've always wondered how Pac's life could evolve like it did.
And also cause of all rappers he's easily got the most interesting and complex to explain.

Pac NEVER finished school g...he dropped out before he could finish...and started selling drugs for a lil bit....he was legit homeless..going from shelter to shelter...living with different people..he didnt have a legit "home" fam..there is ALOT about Pac's life u don't know about..that's why I said what I initially said..and that's why threads like this are stupid..cause it just proves alotta cat's ignorance...not saying u..im just sayin..

 

[Harry B]

and also.. @Harry B if u want some proof that Afeni was on drugs before he was in his late teens...there plenty of it...here's an excerpt right here...

Well there you go, what I must have heard/read was perhaps that Pac didn't know until his late teens which was when he started fighting with his moms and left the home.

And regarding graduating, he dropped out in his last year but he got his GED right? He was still in HS at 17-18.

Selling drugs though, are you talking about the rumor that he sold drugs for a month or something to pay rent at the crib he crashed at when he ran from home?

 

[spliz]

Well there you go, what I must have heard/read was perhaps that Pac didn't know until his late teens which was when he started fighting with his moms and left the home.

Nah..he knew..it was one of the reasons he lived in so many places...it just got to the point where she was really bad and was choosing drugs over him...THAT's why he bounced...Afeni has admitted this herself..that dude "Legs" was a dope dealer by the way...u gotta understand fam..Pac's life was fukked up..lol..