Turkey 'downs Russian warplane on Syria border'

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Yea I just saw that Putin claimed that Turkey was profiting from ISIS oil. I don't think he is bullshytting. And just by common sense, you look at the map and it's clear the oil has nowhere else to go

Good story



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@Napoleon I will give u this one. When in doubt, u always have to follow the $$$$. The $$$ always leads to the truth :mjcry:

I wasn't lying...Turkey has had their hands in the pot for a long time...:mjpls:

They let in damn near 90% of the "ISIS" fighters into Syria
 

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:huhldup: And Turkey is Sunni. Damn. Convenient indeed. Be a ME country with no oil brehs :francis:

Why the fukk is NATO turning a blind eye to this :mindblown: Turkey brings nothing to the table
Reddit had me rolling...dudes were pretending like they called NATO HQ and got silence on the other end of the line :mjlol:
 

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:huhldup: And Turkey is Sunni. Damn. Convenient indeed. Be a ME country with no oil brehs :francis:

Why the fukk is NATO turning a blind eye to this :mindblown: Turkey brings nothing to the table

Turkey brought us the ability to open a second front into Russia via the Caucasus Mountains in case of a war, the ability to choke off their warm-water ports that used the Bosphorus to get from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean, and the ability to plant ground based nukes right next to the USSR border. Removing the American nukes from Turkey (and Italy) was a part of the deal that got Russian nukes off Cuba.

After Russia collapsed we maybe could have got rid of them tactically, but Incirlik Air Base was too good of a jumping off point to control the Middle East. Without Incirlik, we'd have to fall back to Aviano in Northern Italy, or keep a base open in Saudi Arabia/Iraq to launch airstrikes.
 

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The Two Versions Of The Latakia Plane Incident
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Turkey says two of its F-16 fighters shot down a jet that had crossed into Turkey and then crashed in Syria:

Two Turkish F-16's shot down a Russian-made SU-24 jet on Nov. 24 near the Syrian border after it violated Turkish airspace, presidential sources said.
Turkey shot down the jet after it failed to heed the warnings within the rules of engagement.

Initial reports said the jet belonged to Russia, but presidential sources later clarified that the jet's nationality was unknown.

The Turkish Armed Force also stated that the jet of “unknown nationality” had been warned 10 times in five minutes about its violation of the border.

Meanwhile, a Turkish official told Reuters that two warplanes approached Turkish border and were warned before one of them was shot down.

The jet was Russian SU-24. One pilot was killed and the body is in the hands of "rebels". At the of a video the "rebels" made of the dead pilot they call themselves "mujahideen". One picture shows the body with two bullet holes in the chests suggesting that he was illegally executed. A rebel source claims that he was shot while parachuting from the burning plane. That is a war crime under the Geneva Convention. A second pilot was probably wounded but was said to have landed somewhere in Syrian army covered territory. The search for him is ongoing.

Russia's official version of the incident is remarkably different from Turkey's:

Today an aircraft from the Russian air group in the Syrian Arab Republic crashed on the territory of Syria supposedly shot down from the ground.
The aircraft was flying at the altitude of 6 000 metres. The status of the Russian pilots is being defined.

According to the preliminary data, the pilots managed to eject from the warplane.

The circumstances of the crash are being defined.

During all the flight time, the aircraft was flying only within the borders of the Syrian territory. That was registered by objective monitoring data.

The Russian version leaves it open who shot the plane down. Is that meant to deescalate?

Turkey claims that the red line here shows the flightpath of the Russian plane.


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If that is correct than the (alleged) violation of Turkey's airspace was for just some 5 seconds and would in no way justify to shot down the plane. Just Friday Turkey "warned" Russia over attacks on "Turkmen" in Syria. This then was not legitimate air-defense but an ambush. Most NATO country will shake their heads over the irresponsible Turkish behavior and will not get further involved such lunacy.

So there will likely be no war over this but a lot of strong statements will be issued. NATO councils and the UN Security Council may meet. But the propaganda preparation for war is targeted at the Islamic State and Syria, not at Russia.

In a separate incident two Russian journalists covering the Syrian army were wounded by a projectile from the "rebels".

The Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov canceled his visit to Turkey which was planned for tomorrow. After having lost many "western" tourists Turkey will now also lose the last Russian guests. There are many hotels in Antalya that will have to close down. Turkey's energy supplies depend on Russian (and Iranian) gas. The shooting down of the plane may lead to "technical problems" with those supplies. The PKK fighting the state in Turkey's east may soon have a new sponsor and modern weapon supplies.

The area where the plane came down is in Latakia, some 3.5 kilometers from the Turkish border. It is in the hand of what Turkey calls "Turkmen" which may mean imported Uighur and Uzbek Islamist fighters - mujahideen like they call themselves in the video. They are now already under sharply increased artillery fire. They may soon have to endure some very violent direct attacks by Russian special forces. Future Russian air-to-ground attacks in the area will be flown with "top cover" from additional fighter jets ready to engage the Turks with the very best Russian weapons as soon as they make the tiniest mistake.

In short. This Turkish escalation step will be answered.

UPDATE: Putin just held a press conference with the Jordan King Abdullah on his side and boy was he pissed. Some major points:

  • Confirms Turkish version of air-to-air missile but says plane was in Syrian airspace
  • Describes Turkish attack as "a stab in the back by accomplices of terrorists"
  • "Together with our US partners we signed an agreement to prevent" incidents like this
  • "Ankara will discuss this tragedy with NATO as if it was Russia who shot down their jet. Does Turkey want NATO to serve ISIS goals?"
  • Accuses Turkey of financing, protecting ISIS
  • Turkey doing oil business with ISIS
  • This will have serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations
 

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Yo im hearing the helicopter they sent to retrieve the pilots body got shot down too. Can anyone confirm?
 

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Yo im hearing the helicopter they sent to retrieve the pilots body got shot down too. Can anyone confirm?
I was just reading about that.
Turkey shoots down Russian warplane on Syria border: Vladimir Putin warns of 'serious consequences' - latest

Russian helicopter destroyed?
In what appears to be a separate incident, another Syrian rebel group - the Free Syrian Army’s First Coastal Division - says it has hit a Russia helicopter on Turkmen Mountain, using a TOW anti-tank missile, writes Louisa Loveluck, Middle East reporter.

Pro-regime media outlets appear to have confirmed the report, suggesting that a Russian helicopter has been forced to make an emergency landing in government-controlled Latakia.

It was previously reported that Russian helicopters were trying to access the location where the first fighter bomber had crashed.

If the strike is confirmed, the TOW missile was most likely supplied through the same US and Turkey-backed logistics programme that has reportedly been supplying Alwiya al-Ashar.

The rebels' usage of these American-made TOW missiles has increased over 800 per cent since Russia began air strikes against them at the end of September, slowing regime offensives across the country by destroying dozens of tanks and other armoured vehicles.
 

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I was just reading about that.
Turkey shoots down Russian warplane on Syria border: Vladimir Putin warns of 'serious consequences' - latest

Russian helicopter destroyed?
In what appears to be a separate incident, another Syrian rebel group - the Free Syrian Army’s First Coastal Division - says it has hit a Russia helicopter on Turkmen Mountain, using a TOW anti-tank missile, writes Louisa Loveluck, Middle East reporter.

Pro-regime media outlets appear to have confirmed the report, suggesting that a Russian helicopter has been forced to make an emergency landing in government-controlled Latakia.

It was previously reported that Russian helicopters were trying to access the location where the first fighter bomber had crashed.

If the strike is confirmed, the TOW missile was most likely supplied through the same US and Turkey-backed logistics programme that has reportedly been supplying Alwiya al-Ashar.

The rebels' usage of these American-made TOW missiles has increased over 800 per cent since Russia began air strikes against them at the end of September, slowing regime offensives across the country by destroying dozens of tanks and other armoured vehicles.

Damn this shyt about to get uglier than a P.Miller sneaker
 

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Not surprising at all to anyone who's followed this year over the years. They've been stealing crude, to fund ISIS funneling it through Turkey. Just like certain people have been doing in Libya as well. Not to mention the plans for all that Syrian crude sitting in the Golan Heights.

But let everyone tell it, it's the big bad evil Assad doing all the dirt. :pachaha:

Russia isn't going to hit Turkey directly, because it'll bring in NATO. They tried that before years ago claiming SAA crossed into their territory. So did Israel.

The Kurds, but especially the PKK are gonna some new toys from the Kremlin if Erdogan keeps fukking with his Islamist vision of a new caliphate/Ottoman Empire.
 
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