Tush Push Ban failed... We still pushing asses in Philly

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Such a weird thing.

If your team isn't capable of doing it successfully and/or you don't want to risk the health of your QB, that's on you.
If Curry was shooting 3 points from the logo with 50 %, would a team with no shooters move to ban 3 pointers from the far out? :beli:
I've used that same exact analogy plenty of times. It would be like the Pacers or the Wizards lobbying to have 3 pointers banned when the Splash Bros were lighting shyt up.

And the Bills will continue to run this play dozens of times this season making this whole farce a waste of everyone's time. If the play is so damn overpowered and unstoppable as everyone says it is, why aren't you learning how to run it effectively yourself? Everyone knows why, but the shamelessness of it is what's so damn annoying.
 

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Also nice to see that it was 22 teams that voted against a ban of a classic old school football play, even if they don't use it.

But from my understanding though, the biggest problem is that to formulate a ban, it needs to be such that you can't push the ball carrier forwards. All teams do that when they get the chance to do it. And they removed that ban cause it was so hard to enforce properly. So basically they can't touch the tush push without touching the rest, which is probably why so many are against a ban
 

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Such a weird thing.

If your team isn't capable of doing it successfully and/or you don't want to risk the health of your QB, that's on you.
If Curry was shooting 3 points from the logo with 50 %, would a team with no shooters move to ban 3 pointers from the far out? :beli:

Disagree, and that situation isn’t really comparable.

The issue isn’t necessarily the tush push. I don’t want to see a team punished for being good at something. However, it is such a massive advantage for offenses that the NFL should allow for more relaxed rules for defenses on those plays. They gave neutered the defenses ability to consistently have a chance on those plays, and THAT is the issue. Then the NFL talks about safety all the time which is another issue here.

At the end of the day, I don’t think the issue is the rush push itself, but rather defenses not being allowed to do what they need to stop it.
 

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Disagree, and that situation isn’t really comparable.

The issue isn’t necessarily the tush push. I don’t want to see a team punished for being good at something. However, it is such a massive advantage for offenses that the NFL should allow for more relaxed rules for defenses on those plays. They gave neutered the defenses ability to consistently have a chance on those plays, and THAT is the issue. Then the NFL talks about safety all the time which is another issue here.

At the end of the day, I don’t think the issue is the rush push itself, but rather defenses not being allowed to do what they need to stop it.
How many people have been injured? :jbhmm:

And

Whose safety?


And why don't others use it, if it's unstoppable? Didn't the Bills fail to execute on it like 3 times vs KC
 

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How many people have been injured? :jbhmm:

And

Whose safety?


And why don't others use it, if it's unstoppable?

1. In terms of the injuries, it’s not that players are being injured from the play. It’s that rules were changed with the way defenders can attack at the snap. It’s obvious the offense has a MASSIVE advantage with this play, and the NFL is likely not going to change the rules to allow the defense to attack the OL on the snap as that has been an injury concern and issue. And, without there being a change there, the offense has a massive advantage.

2. Other teams just aren’t as good at the play as the Eagles are. I’m not saying the play should be banned. I’m saying that defenses need to be allowed more leeway. However, we know that’s likely not going to happen, which is why teams wanted to ban it.
 

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Disagree, and that situation isn’t really comparable.

The issue isn’t necessarily the tush push. I don’t want to see a team punished for being good at something. However, it is such a massive advantage for offenses that the NFL should allow for more relaxed rules for defenses on those plays. They gave neutered the defenses ability to consistently have a chance on those plays, and THAT is the issue. Then the NFL talks about safety all the time which is another issue here.

At the end of the day, I don’t think the issue is the rush push itself, but rather defenses not being allowed to do what they need to stop it.
I would agree with you if any other offense was good at it but it’s really the Eagles by a mile.
 

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I would agree with you if any other offense was good at it but it’s really the Eagles by a mile.

I don’t disagree with that, and I’m not saying I want to see the play banned. The Eagles found something THEY have a major advantage at and have used it to their advantage. Obviously not every team can do it at the level they can. I do think defenses need to be allowed more leeway on those plays though.
 

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1. In terms of the injuries, it’s not that players are being injured from the play. It’s that rules were changed with the way defenders can attack at the snap. It’s obvious the offense has a MASSIVE advantage with this play, and the NFL is likely not going to change the rules to allow the defense to attack the OL on the snap as that has been an injury concern and issue. And, without there being a change there, the offense has a massive advantage.

2. Other teams just aren’t as good at the play as the Eagles are. I’m not saying the play should be banned. I’m saying that defenses need to be allowed more leeway. However, we know that’s likely not going to happen, which is why teams wanted to ban it.
So then there is no injury concern as of today, don't know why you'd mentioned it.

I don't know what you mean with give defense leeway though, what type of leeway would you suggest?
Do you mean that defense should be allowed to step offside arbitrarily when they suspect a tush push? Cause you never know what's coming until the ball it comes
 

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Just allow the defensive players to push each other as well. Everybody is happy,

THIS

If you are able to push the defensive line no one is complaining

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MYTH: Defenses are not allowed to push their own linemen, which makes the Tush Push unfair.

TRUTH: Defenses ARE allowed to push their own linemen during the Tush Push. In fact, we've seen this happen multiple times without success (see source below).

ELABORATION: Defenses are NOT allowed to push their own linemen during kicking plays. The reason is because there was sufficient injury data to ban it. Namely because the long snapper is a defenseless player

ELABORATION 2: One reason why Defenses don't do an "anti-Tush Push" more often, is because it commits more of your defense to the pile, opening the field up to an audible'd pass play.
SOURCES:

 
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