This is what I took from the clip. America took from black (tropical) people.
It didn't sound like a diaspora thing like black Americans took from the Diaspora or the Continent.
People so which to be outraged about something. Always jumping the gun.
Twitter thread proves that when it comes to music FBA doesn’t borrow, we create!
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This is what I took from the clip. America took from black (tropical) people.
It didn't sound like a diaspora thing like black Americans took from the Diaspora or the Continent.
People so which to be outraged about something. Always jumping the gun.
Reggae didn't start with Bob Marley, and is a lot older than you think.
Jamaicans cover a shyt tonne of songs by American Artists; always has. Maybe not so much now but definitely back in the day; So this isn’t really a big reveal. Some versions of the covers become more pervasive than others. When it comes to entertainment American media is ubiquitous and the lines are blurred about origins all the time. That’s probably why it’s banned in places like China who want to maintain “cultural identity”. Our parents knew the origins of these songs and that most of them were covers because they knew the original at the time, it’s just forgotten as time goes on because we develop a preference and nostalgia for the ones we hear most frequently, especially when it comes to Reggae because ppl (Jamaicans) like to hear a reflection of themselves in their music. Additionally back in the day many people got their start by covering existing songs even amongst the American media landscape. I know for a fact a lot of singers who were starting out weren’t hired to play their own music in clubs, hotels etc as ppl want to hear what they already know, so they may sing that popular music in the style of their own country even Bob Marley started like that, some ppl just aren’t creative enough to create their own lane. And other times the cover in my opinion is better than the original Eg.
Aretha Franklin’s rendition of Bridge over troubled water vs the Simon and Garfunkel version
Whitney Houston’s I will always love you vs Dolly Parton’s
Reggae covers I believe are better than the American originals are:
Norma Fraser’s AND Kashief Lindos version of first Cut is the deepest vs Cat Steven’s,
Dennis Brown’s Silhouette vs The Rays version,
My absolute favourite Queen Majesty by the Jays and Ranking Trevor and by further extension the sample on Dry Cry by Sizzla vs Minstrel and Queen by Curtis Mayfield
There are other times the pendulum swings the other way but Americans are very USA centric and likely may not know the origins if it comes from another country which allows their media to steal or sample from others. Think “ Truth Hurts so addictive IIRC that one song ruined her financially. Big Pimpin was a sample from some famous Arab song that you would likely not know in America. Finally I will add sampling really famous songs work really well vs creating an original song all together sometimes. Especially if it’s a sample of a previous hit, if it worked before it will work again as we have seen from the Saweetie’s discography. It’s like that pinch of magic dust that livens up an otherwise dull potion. I think the point to all this is that music is a thread of experience and emotions that stitch our lives together. Everybody sampled from everybody whether we know it or not, it’s just easier to check the origins these days.
I can pull out multiple examples of African inspired beats being used by AAs over the decades. But why should I? Africans and African Americans are literally both sides of the same coin
Literally. All them moot examples do nothing because these are the very same people copying each other. The same talents, the same DNA, the same blackness just a different history
Why are yall doing the white supremacist's job for them?
Literally. All them moot examples do nothing because these are the very same people copying each other. The same talents, the same DNA, the same blackness just a different history
Why are yall doing the white supremacist's job for them?
OP, that's because Black FBA's are creative, original and inventive, so we create.
cacs on the other hand are copy cats with no originality or imagination
the phrase culture vulture should have a picture with a white person right beside the definition in the dictionary... not saying people still use book dictionaries anymore, it's 2023 now, lol
cacs on the other hand are copy cats with no originality or imagination
the phrase culture vulture should have a picture with a white person right beside the definition in the dictionary... not saying people still use book dictionaries anymore, it's 2023 now, lol
Bruh, I had to mute myself in the meeting from laughing out loudFBA keeps creatin' it, and Jamaicans keeps on fakin' it.
I never said it started with Bob Marley. I was implying that Bob Marley and others for that matter were introducing Soul music into Reggae.
UncleTomFord15
Veteran
Reggae is based off of elements of AA music that already existed, elements of other Caribbean music that already existed, carryover of Jamaican music that already existed and obviously west/central African elements.
Detroit Wave
Veteran
them nikkas was literally getting radio signals from the South
fats domino and all that. Count Basie too.
Everyone has been influenced by each other. End of story.
yung Herbie Hancock
Funkadelic Parliament
Not really. A lot of Ska and Raggae is based around music rom Fats Domino, Roscoe Gordon and other black American RnB artists. Ska is really just repackaged black American music (jamaican elders themselves admitted this).
yung Herbie Hancock
Funkadelic Parliament
That's cool, but Jamaicans wont admit that we HEAVILY influenced them, and they're allowing latinos to claim our creations by proxy. There's an agenda to make mexicans and latinos in general "more american" by making our contributions theirs.
yung Herbie Hancock
Funkadelic Parliament
They all admitted it. Even toasting is just them trynig to copy the Jive talk from radio hosts like Jocko Henderson (they admitted themselves that they used to listen to voice of america and other radio shows and copy black american men).them nikkas was literally getting radio signals from the South
yung Herbie Hancock
Funkadelic Parliament
What is your point? Ska is just repackaced Rosco Gordon and Fats Domino music? Ska is the precursor to raggae and literally IS just black american music.
The singing indeed, but not the dancehall 'toasting' per se.