U.S. Chipmakers Fear They Are Ceding China’s A.I. Market to Huawei

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U.S. Chipmakers Fear They Are Ceding China’s A.I. Market to Huawei​


New restrictions on semiconductor exports to China are scrambling sales and fueling concerns that the Chinese tech giant will become a chip-making powerhouse.

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American chip companies worry Huawei could become a major rival for A.I. chips.Credit...Aly Song/Reuters

By Tripp Mickle

Tripp Mickle reports on the chip industry from San Francisco.

April 18, 2025



The semiconductor industry has lobbied two presidential administrations to go easy with restrictions on selling cutting-edge computer chips to China. Jensen Huang, the chief executive of Nvidia, the world’s leading artificial intelligence chip maker, even traveled to Mar-a-Lago this month to discuss policy with President Trump.

But with the Trump administration putting new curbs on A.I. chip sales this week, it is clear that the industry’s pushback has failed. The fallout has set off a scramble among chipmakers to reset expectations for a future with less sales to China and prompted fears that their retreat could turn the Chinese tech giant Huawei into a global chip-making powerhouse.

The Trump administration said on Tuesday that it was taking measures to restrict the sale of A.I. chips by Nvidia, Advanced Micro Devices and Intel. The crackdown essentially closed the door on a fast-growing business in China, which buys more chips than any other country.

In the two days after the limits became public, shares of Nvidia, the world’s leading A.I. chipmaker, fell 8.4 percent. AMD’s shares dropped 7.4 percent, and Intel’s were down 6.8 percent.

“For the U.S. semiconductor industry, China is gone,” said Handel Jones, a semiconductor consultant at International Business Strategies, which advises electronics companies. He projects that Chinese companies will have a majority share of chips in every major category in China by 2030.

The U.S. companies’ challenges are a reflection of how U.S.-Chinese tensions are reordering the global economy. For years, U.S. companies created and designed many of the world’s best-selling products, while relying on China to produce most of them and buy many of them.

But over the past decade, the balance shifted as China began to develop homegrown rivals and Mr. Trump began imposing tariffs. A.I. has heightened those tensions. The technology has the potential to create trillions of dollars in economic value and funnel tremendous power to the two countries vying for A.I. supremacy: the United States and China.

Computer chips are the building blocks of artificial intelligence. Nvidia, in particular, dominates the market for chips used to build A.I. systems. It was on the verge of becoming the first publicly traded company worth $4 trillion before a stock swoon over the past few months dropped its value below $2.5 trillion.

In 2022, the Biden administration started imposing rules to restrict China’s ability to buy Nvidia A.I. chips. The administration added more limits each subsequent year. Then, this week the Trump administration blocked the last A.I. chip that Nvidia was selling to China, the H20, saying it was in the government’s national and economic security interest.

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Nvidia’s Jensen Huang has lobbied the Trump administration on A.I. chip export controls.Credit...Mike Kai Chen for The New York Times

The timing couldn’t have been worse for Nvidia. Mr. Huang had a scheduled trip to China this week. He spent Thursday with Chinese leaders, stressing how important the country was to his business.



“We’re going to continue to make significant effort to optimize our products that are compliant within the regulations and continue to serve China’s market,” Mr. Huang said during a meeting with the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade.

Mr. Huang’s message spoke to one of his biggest fears. For years, he has worried that Huawei, China’s telecommunications giant, will become a major competitor in A.I. He has warned U.S. officials that blocking U.S. companies from competing in China would accelerate Huawei’s rise, said three people familiar with those meetings who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

If Huawei gains ground, Mr. Huang and others at Nvidia have painted a dark picture of a future where China will use the company’s chips to build A.I. data centers across the world for the Belt and Road Initiative, a strategic effort to increase Beijing’s influence by paying for infrastructure projects around the world, a person familiar with the company’s thinking said.

Huawei has entered and conquered other markets. Over the years, it has surpassed Ericsson and Nokia in telecommunications and took on Apple in smartphones.

But the company’s semiconductor business faces challenges. Washington has blocked China from making chips in Taiwan, which produces the world’s most powerful semiconductors. It also prevents Chinese companies from buying machines made by ASML, the Dutch company whose machines are essential for manufacturing the most advanced semiconductors.

Nvidia’s previous generation of chips perform about 40 percent better than Huawei’s best product, said Gregory C. Allen, who has written about Huawei in his role as director of the Wadhwani A.I. Center at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

But that gap could dwindle if Huawei scoops up the business of its American rivals, Mr. Allen said. Nvidia was expected to make more than $16 billion in sales this year from the H20 in China before the restriction. Huawei could use that money to hire more experienced engineers and make higher-quality chips.

Mr. Allen said the U.S. government’s restrictions also could help Huawei bring on customers like DeepSeek, a leading Chinese A.I. start-up. Working with those companies could help Huawei improve the software it develops to control its chips. Those kinds of tools have been one of Nvidia’s strengths over the years.

Huawei didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

To prevent Huawei from gaining ground, said Dylan Patel, chief analyst for the research firm SemiAnalysis, who closely follows the rise of A.I. technologies, U.S. officials must prevent China from buying American chip-making equipment.

The U.S. government allows some Chinese companies to buy American machinery. Chinese companies have exploited that loophole, Mr. Patel said. His firm has reported that approved companies have bought equipment and transferred it to Chinese companies that have been blocked from buying it.

“Huawei is a ferocious competitor,” Mr. Allen said. “It brings a mixture of very high-quality talent, psychotically driven work culture and the deep backing of the Chinese government.”

Tripp Mickle reports on Apple and Silicon Valley for The Times and is based in San Francisco. His focus on Apple includes product launches, manufacturing issues and political challenges. He also writes about trends across the tech industry, including layoffs, generative A.I. and robot taxis.

A version of this article appears in print on April 19, 2025, Section B, Page 3 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Chipmakers Losing Lucrative Chinese Market. e
 

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Man, if they put the same kind of focus on Chips as BYD did batteries shyt gets spooky :wow::lupe:

That said don’t know why we’d be scared, we’d just block the imports like we do for BYD.
 
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Support a benimane for President that doesn't actually understand beni crehs. :unimpressed:
 
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What a transparent article. Nvidia and the rest of the chipmakers are mad they can't sell high-end AI chips to China anymore, that's it all this is. So they're going full alarmist. Of course they're going to spin it as "Huawei might catch up!" to scare people into rolling back export controls. But it's going to take more than that, especially since Huawei is still behind by a solid margin.

They can't access cutting-edge fabs in Taiwan or the advanced tools from ASML, and even their best chips still lag behind what Nvidia was selling years ago. That's why they're resorting to brute force, and stacking hundreds of less efficient chips together. But that approach is 2.3 times less efficient and consumes about 4 times the power just to match or slightly exceed Nvidia's GB200 performance.

Maybe Huawei eventually catches up. But they should let it play out, because selling them the best stuff would just help them get there faster. The real issue for Nvidia is that they were about to make $16 billion in China this year alone, and now that's gone. This isn't about falling behind in the AI race, it's about losing a lucrative market. They're trying to protect profits and nothing more.
 

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The real issue for Nvidia is that they were about to make $16 billion in China this year alone, and now that's gone. This isn't about falling behind in the AI race, it's about losing a lucrative market. They're trying to protect profits and nothing more.
Capitalism seems like it's against nationalism in this sense
 

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Did Huawei bring down Nortel? Corporate espionage, theft, and the parallel rise and fall of two telecom giants​


For at least 10 years, it was revealed in 2012, the company was invaded by hackers based in China who stole hundreds of sensitive internal documents from under the noses of its top executives.

Industrial espionage: How China sneaks out America's technology secrets​

 

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problem is china has the rare materials that makes the chips... if they didnt we wouldnt be talking about this. :manny:
 

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Nvidia’s flattery of Trump wins reversal of AI chip limits and a Huawei clampdown​


Obstacles threatening Nvidia’s AI chip dominance are being tactically removed.
by Jess Weatherbed

May 14, 2025, 6:40 AM EDT
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Trump (lower left) and Jensen Huang (lower right) seen posing with the Saudi royal family and other US tech leaders at a Saudi-US business investment forum. Image: Win McNamee / Getty Images
Jess Weatherbed is a news writer focused on creative industries, computing, and internet culture. Jess started her career at TechRadar, covering news and hardware reviews.

Nvidia’s efforts to suck up to the Trump administration have seemingly paid off, with the US now lifting export limits on US-made AI chips and cracking down on anyone using Huawei’s emerging alternatives. The announcements come as Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang joined President Trump in Saudi Arabia this week to solicit AI investments for US companies.

The US Department of Commerce (DOC) announced on Monday that it has rescinded the Artificial Intelligence Diffusion Rule, due to take effect on May 15th, that aimed to restrict how many US-made AI chips could be sent to international markets without special government approval. The DOC said that a replacement rule for protecting US AI technology will be issued “in the future,” but provided no specific details.
“These new requirements would have stifled American innovation and saddled companies with burdensome new regulatory requirements,” The DOC said in a statement. “The AI Diffusion Rule also would have undermined US diplomatic relations with dozens of countries by downgrading them to second-tier status.”
Senior Advisor to the US President Elon Musk (L) and Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang (C) are directed to greet the Saudi Crown Prince at the Royal Court in Riyadh on May 13, 2025
Trump’s favorite government meddler Elon Musk was also rubbing shoulders with Huang and the Saudi prince at the investment forum. Image: Brendan Smialowski / Getty Images

While the goal was to prevent countries already subject to chip restrictions, such as Russia and China, from accessing or building AI tech, it also placed Nvidia’s estimated 90 percent share of the AI chip market in jeopardy. Shortly after the Diffusion Rule was introduced by former President Joe Biden in January, Nvidia issued a statement calling it “misguided,” while anticipating a return to Trump’s first term policies “that strengthen American leadership, bolster our economy and preserve our competitive edge in AI and beyond.”

The DOC also warned companies that using Huawei’s Ascend AI chipset “anywhere in the world” would violate US export control agreements. Huawei’s home-grown Ascend processors are seen as China’s best answer to Nvidia’s powerful AI chips.

Nvidia’s Huang was notably one of the only US tech leaders to not attend Donald Trump’s inauguration. His absence doesn’t appear to have soured the relationship between them, however, with Huang spotted cosying up to Trump at a US-Saudi investment summit in Riyadh on Tuesday, alongside other tech leaders like Elon Musk, AMD’s Lisa Su, OpenAI’s Sam Altman, and Epic CEO Tim Sweeney.
The Washington Post reports that Trump was far from subtle about what the US wanted from the gathering. “As you know, we have the biggest business leaders in the world here,” he told Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. “They’re going to walk away with a lot of checks for a lot of things that you’re going to provide.”
 
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