Uber CEO Calls For 'Benefits Funds' for Gig Workers

[mr. smoke weed]

Because gov is unnecessarily butting into private transaction/arrangement and making changes neither of the parties directly involved want.
The business model is dying on its own... no reason to intervene and waste more taxpayer money on it imo

But they wouldn't have to butt in, if Uber treated their drivers like employees.

 

[DEAD7]

But they wouldn't have to butt in, if Uber treated their drivers like employees.

Breh, the whole issue is that UBER hires them and treats them as independent contractors.
Both UBER and the drivers like this arrangement... so the finger is definitely being pointed at the third party(govt) who is intervening in this voluntary transaction between 2 private parties.


Edit: its an unsustainable model... not sure why the left is so irritated by it.

 

[the cac mamba]

Why blame the government, when you can blame the Uber ppl for not providing employee shyt to their employees.

because uber drivers arent employees. employees get told when to clock in, they dont get to turn their job on and off whenever they feel like it. employees dont get to choose to work 5 hours a week if they want

remember what you asked me in the other thread? a republican would NEVER try to kill uber

 

[CrimsonTider]

Uber moved to a model where they let drivers set their rates in CA in Jan, drivers can also accept/reject rides without the penalties once imposed. Uber did everything necessary to make them real contractors - the reason this change even had legs was that although they were considered contractors, they couldn't set rates or accept/reject work, now they can, and like any agency that transacts contractors to work, uber takes its percentage. so yes, uber (not the other companies that may be affected by this) definitely took steps to make them actual contractors yet the state is still pressing them to make these people employees. and this isn't for any altruistic reason, it's about payroll tax which CA woefully undercharges to corporations in the first place

They’re still employees

a restaurant can’t call their cooks independent contractors because they let the cooks determine the menu prices or they can show up to work whenever they want to

because uber drivers arent employees. employees get told when to clock in, they dont get to turn their job on and off whenever they feel like it. employees dont get to choose to work 5 hours a week if they want

remember what you asked me in the other thread? a republican would NEVER try to kill uber

but they are employees by the definition of the law

 

[the cac mamba]

but they are employees by the definition of the law

well then change the law to get with the times, because someone who chooses when to work and how much/little to work is not an employee. that's bullshyt

an uber driver is their own boss, who has an agreement with uber to give them a cut of the profits in exchange for the work uber puts in to create the app that connects them with people who need a ride. there's no way that someone who chooses when/where/how much to work is an "employee"

im all for uber drivers fighting for a bigger cut of the company's (nonexistent) profit, but that's between the drivers and uber. not the government

i mean why don't we just cut the bullshyt; what is the reaction gonna be if uber and lyft pull out of california because of the government? the state might turn red

and for what? who is asking the government to embark on this crusade?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

They’re still employees

a restaurant can’t call their cooks independent contractors because they let the cooks determine the menu prices or they can show up to work whenever they want to



but they are employees by the definition of the law

That’s 100% not the same thing, but ok

 

[the cac mamba]

a restaurant can’t call their cooks independent contractors because they let the cooks determine the menu prices or they can show up to work whenever they want to

there's not a restaurant on the planet that lets cooks choose when to show up and for how long

i guess uber does determine the price, but that's not reason enough to upend the system. sorry. and i've talked to too many drivers who ate off "surge" prices to break out the violin

 

[CrimsonTider]

That’s 100% not the same thing, but ok

there's not a restaurant on the planet that lets cooks choose when to show up and for how long

i guess uber does determine the price, but that's not reason enough to upend the system. sorry. and i've talked to too many drivers who ate off "surge" prices to break out the violin

it is the same because the courts ruled that you can’t have a majority of your employees that are responsible for your revenue as independent contractors

This isn’t about hours worked or who is a boss

this is about a company that makes money from charging people for rides around town that is trying to claim the people they hire to perform those rides aren’t employees.

like I said a restaurant can’t say they’re cooks are independent contractors

 

[mr. smoke weed]

because uber drivers arent employees. employees get told when to clock in, they dont get to turn their job on and off whenever they feel like it. employees dont get to choose to work 5 hours a week if they want

remember what you asked me in the other thread? a republican would NEVER try to kill uber

Nah dog not all employees work that way. I understand the extreme point you're making but, that's not how Ubers model works. So if you drive over 40hrs a week, why shouldn't you get benefits?!?!

Also, just because you don't fill all the requirements, doesn't mean you aren't!

 

[the cac mamba]

Nah dog not all employees work that way. I understand the extreme point you're making but, that's not how Ubers model works. So if you drive over 40hrs a week, why shouldn't you get benefits?!?!

Also, just because you don't fill all the requirements, doesn't mean you aren't!

if you drive over 40 hours a week, why shouldn't you get a real job instead of demanding they blow up their business model for the sake of a few

it's NEVER been a "real job" with benefits. it was never designed or intended for that. yeah, it would be cool if people who drove more than 40 hours got benefits, but you can't just force uber to do it when it's going to kill their business to the point that they'll pull out of california before completely nuking their bottom line. they're not bluffing; there is no "uber" with health insurance. their quarterly numbers are quite clear about that

you guys are always talking all this "perfect world" shyt when it doesn't happen like that in real life

if uber pulls out of california, is that better or worse for the drivers? yes or no question

 

[mr. smoke weed]

if you drive over 40 hours a week, why shouldn't you get a real job instead of demanding they blow up their business model for the sake of a few

it's NEVER been a "real job" with benefits. it was never designed or intended for that. yeah, it would be cool if people who drove more than 40 hours got benefits, but you can't just force uber to do it when it's going to kill their business to the point that they'll pull out of california before completely nuking their bottom line. they're not bluffing; there is no "uber" with health insurance. their quarterly numbers are quite clear about that

you guys are always talking all this "perfect world" shyt when it doesn't happen like that in real life

if uber pulls out of california, is that better or worse for the drivers? yes or no question

Of course it's worse for the drivers. Blow up their business model for the sake of a few? Nah man. Uber should've had a better business model, it's not like this wasn't predictable.

 

[the cac mamba]

Of course it's worse for the drivers. Blow up their business model for the sake of a few? Nah man. Uber should've had a better business model, it's not like this wasn't predictable.

all im saying is that Uber could have told you from the beginning that you can drive 40 hours a week if you choose to do that, but benefits are not part of the business model. they're not going to kick in at 40 hours, or ever

this won't end well for the government if they're smart they'd fall back. i already wrote my congressman and both senators that they better not let this c*nt Maura Healey go through with this in massachusetts

and in 4 years i could probably count on 1 hand the amount of times i've taken an uber sober. drunk driving will skyrocket

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

it is the same because the courts ruled that you can’t have a majority of your employees that are responsible for your revenue as independent contractors

This isn’t about hours worked or who is a boss

this is about a company that makes money from charging people for rides around town that is trying to claim the people they hire to perform those rides aren’t employees.

like I said a restaurant can’t say they’re cooks are independent contractors

uber's product is a marketplace app, they simply specialize in ride matching. it's no different than thumbtack that matches trade workers to people looking for home repair, or airbnb matching hosts to guests. the cook thing is not in the same league at all

 

[CrimsonTider]

uber's product is a marketplace app, they simply specialize in ride matching. it's no different than thumbtack that matches trade workers to people looking for home repair, or airbnb matching hosts to guests. the cook thing is not in the same league at all

They don’t make money from the app

They make money from taxi fare

if there main source of income was from charging people to use the app or ad revenue from the app this would be a different conversation

you can’t classify people that are core to your business as independent contractors.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

They don’t make money from the app

They make money from taxi fare

if there main source of income was from charging people to use the app or ad revenue from the app this would be a different conversation

you can’t classify people that are core to your business as independent contractors.

they take a percent of the transaction just like the other platforms i named...yet no one thinks people listing their service on thumbtack or house on airbnb should be employees...they are contractors who give up a percent of revenue in order to make some money from the service they're offering.

no one with sense thinks these drivers are employees, most drivers don't think they are either nor want to be. this is all an optics play...let's keep painting everything as exploitative if it doesn't match yesterday's model even tho without it, there'd be less opportunities for people to make money. reminds me of the people complaining about streaming payout vs album sales 30 years ago