Uber is dead and so is rideshare

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I mean there is nothing stopping that from happening, but Uber(and Lyft) already has the infrastructure laid down to do it, something those other companies or small business owners wouldn't.

They have brand appeal, an app that is fairly simple to use, and have already embedded themselves in every major US city. Yeah they are losing money right now, but I think it was the plan all along at least for the beginning. They are playing a war of atrittion and given how much of the market share for rideshare/taxi service they already hold I'd say they are doing a good job.

But thats my point- what infrastructure, or barriers to entry, does Uber/Lyft enjoy in a driver-less world?

Their drivers? Don't need them.
Their cars? Any that they own now will become obsolete, and converting them to self-driving would be too cost prohibitive.
Their brand recognition? Maybe, the only thing I would concede. However, most customers are price conscious. In other words, most people dont care which ride sharing app they use, just as long as its the cheapest. So there goes all your goodwill built into your balance sheet.
 

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Uber and Lyft are the Xerox of ridesharing. They're pioneers and taking all the losses of the R&D to build up the infrastructure for the industry, but as their quarterly reports tell the tale, they're not gonna reap the benefits for their investment. Xerox never died died, and they got their copy machines floating around, but they were a company that legitimately was out here creating important parts of personal computing. Yet and still they're not rocking Microsoft or Apple market caps who looked over their shoulders and took the blueprint. Same is gonna happen with Uber and Lyft.

Uber is a ship taking on more water than it can pump out thinking that the blip on the horizon is the shore. Nah. That's Waymo and all these other rideshare/autonomous vehicle companies waiting to jump them for parts aka that market share.
 

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On that note .. Weedmaps may be dead in the water soon :dwillhuh:

Just saw this ..

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Weedmaps Lays Off 100 Employees Amid Financial and Legal Struggles
The Irvine-based company had drawn scrutiny for allowing illegal pot shops on its platform
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Weedmaps, the popular online marketplace connecting marijuana shoppers with weed dispensaries and delivery services, had a bad week. The company announced it had laid off nearly 100 employees. Workers reported being surprised by the firings, and encountering security guards tasked with immediately escorting them out of the Irvine headquarters.

A number of factors appear to have lead to the decision to axe a quarter of the company’s workforce. Weedmaps executives have placed some of the blame on their own overestimation of the speed at which more states would liberalize marijuana laws. Even within California, the company’s home market, many cities and counties have enacted municipal regulations that block local marijuana sales, limiting where Weedmaps can operate.

Perhaps the bigger hit to the company, however, has been its slow disentanglement from black-market pot shops that sell and advertise on its platform. Weedmaps came online in 2008, eight years before California’s Prop 64 was passed, when many marijuana sales were conducted outside the medical framework of the time. Even once adult-use sales were allowed, Weedmaps continued to allow unlicensed sellers to use the platform for their products.

In early 2018, the Orange County Register notes, the California Bureau of Cannabis Control sent Weedmaps a cease-and-desist letter, stating that the company was in violation of state law for selling advertising to illicit pot shops. In July of 2019, Gavin Newsom signed a new law creating penalties of as much as $30,000 per day for continuing to allow the black-market vendors to operate. The following month, amid a national health crisis that appears linked directly to black-market marijuana vape products, Weedmaps at last announced they would attempt to phase out advertising for illegal operations by the end of 2019. Sources from the company suggest that the loss of revenue when those illicit shops are kicked off–and thus stop paying to advertise–is expected to be a significant hit to Weedmaps’ bottom line.

Some have also brought up Weedmaps’ backing of the splashy Museum of Weed in Los Angeles, an elaborate pop-up developed in collaboration with Vice. The museum, which occupies a large space in Hollywood, contains exhibits and programming about the history of marijuana in America. One ex-Weedmaps employee told the O.C. Register they believed the project was a cash drain on the already strapped company. Executives from Weedmaps contest the assertion that the museum is an issue for the firm’s overall financial health.

The layoffs also come as investors who were once eager to get in on cannabis-related startups begin to hedge their bets on the industry, Marijuana Business Daily reports. For Weedmaps, that has meant the pool of outside capital they’ve relied on since 2008 is beginning to dry, forcing the company to focus more on profitability.

Could this be a sign that the cannabis business bubble is starting to pop?

Chris Beals, CEO of Weedmaps, released a statement in which he attempts to paint an upbeat picture of the company’s financial outlook, and takes pains to position Weedmaps as a technology company that works with cannabis, rather than a “cannabis company.”

“This year represents one of the fastest years of growth ever for Weedmaps by almost any measure,” he writes. “The restructuring today will give us the nimbleness and dry powder to take advantage of the forthcoming increases in legalized markets and licenses by making us more nimble and focused. Weedmaps has always been a technology company first, and in this restructuring we are doubling down to grow our technological capabilities.”

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That law outlawing black market weed sales is what killed them... It was just last year, you'd pull up close to DC and get 150 vendors, delivery to wherever you wanna meet, 1pm or 4am... Cause it was all nikkas just selling weed out their car, using weed maps.. Went back up a few weeks ago and that shyt had like 5 regular shops and dumb ass pricing. I deleted that shyt that day

Uncle Sam always wants a cut
 

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That California Lifestyle ...
That law outlawing black market weed sales is what killed them... It was just last year, you'd pull up close to DC and get 150 vendors, delivery to wherever you wanna meet, 1pm or 4am... Cause it was all nikkas just selling weed out their car, using weed maps.. Went back up a few weeks ago and that shyt had like 5 regular shops and dumb ass pricing. I deleted that shyt that day

Uncle Sam always wants a cut


Just got back from DC it was dryyyyyyyyy for weed :scust: ..

and i had heard it was lit but I couldn't cop jack squat :yeshrug:


Glad i had my own Cali and just enough to last :ahh:



Where the trees at in the DMV brehs ? :yeshrug:..

I’m touching down soon :blessed:


Reps on deck if I got ‘em :salute:

Reppppppped :salute:I use weedmaps in Cali .


Where the best Mambo wings at now breh ?? :ahh:

All these shops say Medical only .. I need a prescription ?
 

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what does this mean?



the only way for them truly be profitable is to Quadruple their prices

People drive rideshare losee money

Do you understand math nikka?

I’ll address both of you since you quoted me. Yes Uber is having problems but there’s no way we just wake up and ride sharing is a thing of the past. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

the public is already used to it. People aren’t going to go back to the old taxi days. Riders love it and drivers like the option to make money on their own schedule. So there will ALWAYS be money to be made. The “how” will be the only thing that changes.


The reason I said go outside is that airports, event spaces, etc have all made accommodations for ridesharing options. Again to think shyt will just go away is silly
 
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This and like one other post are the only ones who know what the fukk they're talking about. Everybody else is just talking out their ass. I've noticed in most threads, not even just on this site, 99% of people don't know what the fukk they're talking about and you'll have like 1-2 people who do. I live for good posts like this.
:mjlol: I hope ya'll aren't managing money.

I will admit, Uber is certainly not dead, but it is quickly approaching life support. Here are some major headwinds to consider:

1.) Most car manufacturers do not expect self driving vehicles to become truly capable (i.e. driving long distances, accounting for human error), for at least 10 years.
2.) You have to assume that the regulatory approvals and requisite infrastructure build out out will only widen this timeline.

So now you are looking at a 10 to 15 year timeline before Uber can just fire its drivers. Can the Company survive while bleeding red for a decade? Maybe. But I certainly would chastise someone for thinking otherwise.

Some other risks to consider:
1.) What is stopping another firm or private equity company from waiting on the sidelines and just buying self-driving cars when they become available? There are literally no barriers to entry for that business model.
2.) What stops consumers from purchasing a car and simply using it like a taxi service?

Disclosure:
My firm passed on investing in the Company in the secondary market. Certainly not regretting the decision. :yeshrug:
 
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