US citizen held in Saudi Arabia - - tortured. No charges.

[Pressure]

It's going to keep happening as long as this administration is weak on them. It's time for congress to step up.

 

[Perfectson]

It's going to keep happening as long as this administration is weak on them. It's time for congress to step up.

Says he's a dual citizen ...

 

[powmia]

It's going to keep happening as long as this administration is weak on them. It's time for congress to step up.

US government in the Senate and the Executive branch and possibly house won't do anything. The USA government has been the bytch of Is real and Saudis Arabia for decades. US has an unlimited check book for Israel. 11 of the 19, 911 terrorists were from Saudia.

 

[Pressure]

Says he's a dual citizen ...

So he's a US citizen.

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

Says he's a dual citizen ...

With one of those citizenships being America?

 

[Perfectson]

So he's a US citizen.

So? He's a Saudi citizen, he's under their jurisdiction particularly when he's in Saudi. You don't know Law so why are you commenting. It's typical of you though, especially with economics , to comment when you don't know what you're talking about.

Guess you want team 7 to go rescue this Saudi citizen as well?

 

[Pressure]

So? He's a Saudi citizen, he's under their jurisdiction particularly when he's in Saudi. You don't know Law so why are you commenting. It's typical of you though, especially with economics , to comment when you don't know what you're talking about.

Guess you want team 7 to go rescue this Saudi citizen as well?

You big mad because you're wrong.

 

[Pressure]

@Perfectson Dual citizen or not you're under the jurisdiction of whatever country you're in. Here's a quick refresher for your next trip abroad.

Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad


One of the highest priorities of the Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. The Department of State is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority in accordance with international, domestic, and foreign law.

Tips to Avoid Arrest Overseas:

• Understand that you are subject to the local laws and regulations while visiting or living in the country – follow them.
• Learn which laws might be different from the laws in the United States. We provide some information for each country on our Country Information pages. For more information on a specific country’s laws, contact that country’s nearest embassy or consulate in the United States before you travel.

In Case of an Arrest Overseas:

• Ask the prison authorities to notify the U.S. embassy or consulate.
• Reach out to the closest U.S. embassy or consulate to let us know of the arrest.

Consular Assistance to U.S. Prisoners

When a U.S. citizen is arrested overseas, he or she may be initially confused and disoriented. They may be in unfamiliar surroundings and may not know the local language, customs, or legal system.

We Can:

• Provide a list of local attorneys who speak English
• Contact family, friends, or employers of the detained U.S. citizen (with their written permission)
• Visit the detained U.S. citizen regularly and provide reading materials and vitamin supplements, where appropriate
• Ensure that prison officials are providing appropriate medical care
• Provide a general overview of the local criminal justice process
• Upon request, ensure that prison officials permit visits with a member of the clergy of the religion of the detainee’s choice
• Establish an OCS Trust, if necessary, so friends and family can transfer funds to imprisoned U.S. citizens

We Cannot:

• Get U.S. citizens out of jail
• State to a court that anyone is guilty or innocent
• Provide legal advice or represent U.S. citizens in court
• Serve as official interpreters or translators
• Pay legal, medical, or other fees

Back to crux of the issue.

In 2017, he was one of about 200 Saudi citizens rounded up and held prisoner at the Riyadh Ritz-Carlton hotel. The Saudi government said that the mass arrests were an attempt to eradicate corruption in the country, but many viewed it as an attempt for Prince Mohammed bin Salman to exert authority over his critics. The vast majority of those arrested at the Ritz-Carlton were released, but Dr. Fitaihi has continued to be detained by the Saudi government since 2017 after being transferred to a prison in Riyadh.

Dr. Fitaihi's family has reportedly been quietly trying to organize his release for months, but are now speaking out in an attempt to put public pressure on the Saudi government and President Trump to arrange his freedom.

If you remember this was in response to MBS consolidation of power that started a couple years ago:
Saudi Arabia Arrests 11 Princes, Including Billionaire Alwaleed bin Talal

This crackdown has been alleged to be a direct result of Jared Kushner, of the Trump administration, sharing US intel with MBS leading to this crackdown. This isn't the first person living in the US who has been directly affected. The first you wrote off because they weren't a US citizen.



This time you have one:



It's a scandal. Point blank, period.

For comparison, a similar issue happened in Beijing:

Beijing Is Holding U.S. Citizens ‘Hostage’ in China

 

[Pressure]

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

So? He's a Saudi citizen, he's under their jurisdiction particularly when he's in Saudi. You don't know Law so why are you commenting. It's typical of you though, especially with economics , to comment when you don't know what you're talking about.

Guess you want team 7 to go rescue this Saudi citizen as well?

Technically you're right BUT he is being held without charges and apparently tortured...

He still has rights as an American and the embassy should absolutely intervene...

Charge him or let him go...

 

[Maschine_Man]

Technically you're right BUT he is being held without charges and apparently tortured...

He still has rights as an American and the embassy should absolutely intervene...

Charge him or let him go...

Dual Nationality

Dual Nationality


Section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that “the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a national of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. national parents may be both a U.S. national and a national of the country of birth. Or, an individual having one nationality at birth may naturalize at a later date in another country and become a dual national.

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship. However, persons who acquire a foreign nationality after age 18 by applying for it may relinquish their U.S. nationality if they wish to do so. In order to relinquish U.S. nationality by virtue of naturalization as a citizen of a foreign state, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Intent may be shown by the person’s statements and conduct.

Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality.

U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is not inconsistent with U.S. law.






Also, another thing, Saudia Arabia doesn't recognize dual citizenship

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Dual Nationality

Dual Nationality


Section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that “the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a national of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. national parents may be both a U.S. national and a national of the country of birth. Or, an individual having one nationality at birth may naturalize at a later date in another country and become a dual national.

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship. However, persons who acquire a foreign nationality after age 18 by applying for it may relinquish their U.S. nationality if they wish to do so. In order to relinquish U.S. nationality by virtue of naturalization as a citizen of a foreign state, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Intent may be shown by the person’s statements and conduct.

Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality.

U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is not inconsistent with U.S. law.






Also, another thing, Saudia Arabia doesn't recognize dual citizenship

Not disputing any of that bruh...

All I'm saying is the US has the right to at the very least request an explanation for why an American citizen is being held without charges...

If he violated Saudi law, he's on his own but if he didn't then why is he being held?

 

[hashmander]

i'm a dual citizen, but that second country is jamaica. there is no way in hell i wouldn't renounce a 2nd citizenship if that country was fukkin saudi arabia.

 

[Pressure]

Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality.

None of this matters unless he's charged with a crime and none of this has relevance as to why the Trump administration is ignoring an obvious human rights violation of an ally.

Especially considering Kusher just met with MBS this week.

 

[Dorian Breh]

We copping dual citizenship pleas now?

"Oh he had two passports if he was a real American he wouldn't have more than one citizenship" head ass


You aren't allowed to torture nobody you juelzmachines

They did a whole convention and named it after those fancy foil wrapped chocolates if that rings any bells in your fat skulls

You free thinking high IQ contrarians ever take a second and think it's a little weird you always end up arguing on the same side as the 1%? :tinfoiljbhmm: