US citizen held in Saudi Arabia - - tortured. No charges.

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Dual Nationality

Dual Nationality


Section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that “the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a national of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. national parents may be both a U.S. national and a national of the country of birth. Or, an individual having one nationality at birth may naturalize at a later date in another country and become a dual national.

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship. However, persons who acquire a foreign nationality after age 18 by applying for it may relinquish their U.S. nationality if they wish to do so. In order to relinquish U.S. nationality by virtue of naturalization as a citizen of a foreign state, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Intent may be shown by the person’s statements and conduct.

Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality.

U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is not inconsistent with U.S. law.






Also, another thing, Saudia Arabia doesn't recognize dual citizenship

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None of this matters unless he's charged with a crime and none of this has relevance as to why the Trump administration is ignoring an obvious human rights violation of an ally.

Especially considering Kusher just met with MBS this week.


like i said, you continuously make comments when you're either ill-formed or don't possess the aptitude in the area you're discussing. Yet you haughtily reply as if you know anything about the topic. It would help if you would just stop and let people who actually know and are educated in the topic to converse and you learn from us quietly.
 

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I just need @Maschine_Man to point out he's prob only getting waterboarded anyway and that doesn't really count


i was about to mention how the US, defied the geneva convention by "defining" waterboarding as not-tortue

yet country who hangs and whips prisoners is suddenly expected to be nice to it's detainees because he obtained dual citizenship...i can bet you he isn't just some normal guy and motivational speaker


but it's a moot point, you guys want something done but then want to stay out of foreign affair. Maduro has been doing this for years and as soon as Trump postures, you bleeding hearts are up in arms...wtf you want him to do in this case?
 

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Yall must really hate America huh

Is Saudi supposed to be nice to it's detainee just cuz he's a dual citizenship?

Yes, dumbass :gucci:

Where the fukk have you been :mindblown:

Until this current Coward in Chief that's always how it went. You can't torture Americans, you can't detain them without charges, you can't let the terrorist snatch them up. Or the Americans are mad. That's exactly how this shyt worked... How old are you?

This is whyAmericans can travel much cleaner than Europeans in dangerous places.

The corrupt officials who control the local extremist militias tells them :ufdup: leave off the Yankees. Ransom one of them tall goofy ass Dutch cacs they got money too :ufdup:

You wouldn't understand patriotism if a bald eagle flew up your ignorant ass
 

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Wait the alt right posters are really trying justify torturing US Citizens?

Seems legit


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I mean they are all nihilists so it makes sense. It's warped and showcases their perverse mindsets, obviously. Same people that look at an American prisoner being beaten half to death by some roided up guard for doing nothing and go "well his ass shouldn't have been in prison then".
 

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I mean they are all nihilists so it makes sense. It's warped and showcases their perverse mindsets, obviously. Same people that look at an American prisoner being beaten half to death by some roided up guard for doing nothing and go "well his ass shouldn't have been in prison then".

Absolutely. It just strikes me as so blatantly anti-American, the condoning of fascism, and the normalization of torture that I can't help but point out how transparent and pathetic it is.
 

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they don't care for non whites :yeshrug:

Clearly but they just did the same of the kid who was tortured and murdered in NK.

Seems to be pretty clear cut authoritarianism and fascism with the usual graft and money talks.

Imagine how stupid you have to be to willingly align with that.
 

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Clearly but they just did the same of the kid who was tortured and murdered in NK.

Seems to be pretty clear cut authoritarianism and fascism with the usual graft and money talks.

Imagine how stupid you have to be to willingly align with that.

Sending some corrupt doofus with 0 experience in governance didn't help



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Yall must really hate America huh

Is Saudi supposed to be nice to it's detainee just cuz he's a dual citizenship?

Yes, dumbass :gucci:

Where the fukk have you been :mindblown:

Until this current Coward in Chief that's always how it went. You can't torture Americans, you can't detain them without charges, you can't let the terrorist snatch them up. Or the Americans are mad. That's exactly how this shyt worked... How old are you?

This is whyAmericans can travel much cleaner than Europeans in dangerous places.

The corrupt officials who control the local extremist militias tells them :ufdup: leave off the Yankees. Ransom one of them tall goofy ass Dutch cacs they got money too :ufdup:

You wouldn't understand patriotism if a bald eagle flew up your ignorant ass


You are ignorant, someone already posted what happens when you have dual citizens. None of you have any understanding of jurisprudence, I should not have even commented to educate you morons but your stupidity sickens and frustrates me. You guys continually comment on topics you simple are not educated in. He is a Saudi citizen when he is in Saudi Arabia not a US citizen, and anyone who's educated on this that there's very little the US can do. He's governed by the Saudi Law, which is a harsh Law. He should have given up his Saudi citizenship, but I also read he was living in Saudi, had a business in Saudi, and was politically stirring up problems in Saudi.

We let our citizens get canned in Singapore and be mentally and physically tortured in North Korea ....yet now you want some intervention when a Saudi citizen is allegedly tortured .
 

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Clearly but they just did the same of the kid who was tortured and murdered in NK.

Seems to be pretty clear cut authoritarianism and fascism with the usual graft and money talks.

Imagine how stupid you have to be to willingly align with that.


You guys are making little to no sense. First it's we hate non-whites, which you agreed, then you say but they did it with a white person. So in less than two sentences you conflict your whole platform . This is the type of responses that makes HL difficult to have a solid conversation .

Sending some corrupt doofus with 0 experience in governance didn't help



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It happened under Obama .Trump was able to secure the release although he was broken well before Trump. But I get it blame him for everything even if it's not true.


Wait the alt right posters are really trying justify torturing US Citizens?

Seems legit


:flabbynsick:

No one is defending torture or normalizing it. However how dare people bring up Geneva convention when we gladly broke that several times over and actually have video of American soldiers doing this in G.B.

And hopefully a strong letter is sent to Saudi Arabia regarding their practices of torture on its people but it should be because they torture and not because they tortured a Saudi dual citizen. And outside of that we have no reason for any other intervention, a strong note , finger wag, and shame them like true liberals do.
 

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@Perfectson we "let citizens get tortured in North Korea"?

Even Trump didn't "let" that happen and worked to free that Otto clown.

No one said "Oh he's in North Korea I guess he can be tortured there"
 
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