USA will restore full diplomatic relations with Cuba

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it was always funny to me that 99% of Cubans in South Florida look lily white when Cuba has a sizeable black population

maybe it's because those immigrants benefited from the Batista regime while living conditions and civil rights for Afro-Cubans improved greatly under Castro :sas2:
 
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Wrong... Cuba is nothing like DR and never will be... American tourists will have zero impact on Cuban culture cause we are way too ethno centric. Canadians ( same thing as Americans) are everywhere in Cuba as are Italians, English, Germans, basically everyone except the US. All the drugs/prostitution has come and gone. That era is over. When Cuba opens up we will start taking shyt over.


oh you want a cookie? the same whites you mentioned also reside in DR so what is your point? :dahell:


Taking over shyt?? :mjlol: you have much to catch up neighbor, you have much to catch up neighbor...DR is the top country in the Caribbean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_American_and_Caribbean_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Note: Due to lack of data, Cuba is not included.

Country GDP (PPP) (millions) GDP per capita (PPP) [1]
22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png
Brazil 2,309,138 14,551
23px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png
Mexico 1,659,016 16,426
23px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png
Argentina 710,690 18,200
23px-Flag_of_Colombia.svg.png
Colombia 467,670 11,892
23px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png
Venezuela 369,324 17,951
23px-Flag_of_Peru.svg.png
Peru 300,114 11,805
23px-Flag_of_Chile.svg.png
Chile 281,368 21,468
23px-Flag_of_Ecuador.svg.png
Ecuador 125,066 10,073
23px-Flag_of_the_Dominican_Republic.svg.png
Dominican Republic 93,408 11,208


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Also note that your women also come to DR for prostitution :umad:
 

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Rand Paul: Cuba Isolationists Just Don’t Get It
http://time.com/3642353/rand-paul-cuba-rubio-isolationists-just-dont-get-it/

Let's hope cooler heads will ultimately prevail and we unleash a trade tsunami that washes the Castros once and for all into the sea.
I grew up in a family that despised, not only communism, but collectivism, socialism and any “ism” that deprived the individual of his or her natural rights.

As a kid, I listened to the stories of an old Ukrainian fisherman who talked of fighting the Bolsheviks. More times than I can remember, I’ve heard horror stories of those who fled Castro’s Cuba. I ran for office to fight for the individual and against statism of any kind anywhere and yet… I think a policy of isolationism toward Cuba is misplaced and hasn’t worked.

I support engagement, diplomacy, and trade with Cuba, China, Vietnam, and many countries with less than stellar human rights records, because I believe that once enslaved people taste freedom and see the products of capitalism they will become hungry for freedom themselves.

President George W. Bush wrote that “trade creates the habits of freedom,” and trade provides the seeds of freedom that begin “to create the expectations of democracy.” Once trade begins it is hard to hide the amazing products of capitalism. The Soviets used to produce documentaries depicting poverty in America but it backfired when Russian viewers noticed that even in the poorest of circumstances you could still see televisions flickering in the windows. Once trade is enhanced with Cuba, it will be impossible to hide the bounty that freedom provides.

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The supporters of the embargo against Cuba speak with heated passion but fall strangely silent when asked how trade with Cuba is so different than trade with Russia or China or Vietnam.

It is an inconsistent and incoherent position to support trade with other communist countries, but not communist Cuba.

Even the supporters of the embargo agree that it has not worked. A policy of isolationism with Cuba and engagement with China and Vietnam does not make any sense. Communism can’t survive the captivating allure of capitalism. Let’s overwhelm the Castro regime with iPhones, iPads, American cars, and American ingenuity.

My family’s opposition to communism was so fierce that when Nixon said the U.S. would trade with Red China our response was heated and passionately opposed. But over time my family and many conservatives came to believe that trade was better than war and more effective. While China’s human rights record leaves much to be desired, our engagement and trade has without question helped to open Chinese society.

Over the years, many conservatives have come to believe that trade with China and Vietnam is the best way to overcome and defeat communism. Trade and relations also make it less likely that we ever go to war with China, because the two countries have become economically intertwined.

That being said, it is ultimately Congress not the President who will debate and decide whether the embargo will end. Congress, not the Executive, has dominion over many aspects of the trade and travel embargo. I doubt Congress will vote to end the embargo at this time, but my hope is that restoring diplomatic ties will induce Cubans to rise up and demand more freedom and more trade with the U.S.

Those who love freedom and want to see a free Cuba should continue to demand nothing less than a democratic republic that defends the rights of the individual. After 50 years of embargo and no evidence of tyranny losing its grip, maybe it’s time for a new approach.

Public opinion is changing on this issue. Young Cuban-Americans have shifted their position on the embargo, and many young people support a change in policy. American farmers and other exporters would benefit by being able to sell more products to a country right off the coast of Florida.

Doug Bandow, of the CATO Institute writes that proponents of the embargo have it all wrong when they make the fear mongering claim that diplomacy with Cuba will make America less safe. Bandow agues that “America has engaged in years of on-and-off discussions with North Korea’s Kim dynasty stretching back to the Clinton administration. Under President Obama Washington has been negotiating with Iran’s government for months: most people recognize that a diplomatic settlement, no matter how difficult to achieve, would be better than war.”

For 70 years we had diplomatic relations with Russia, despite the gulags, despite the atrocities of Stalin and others. Reagan, himself, engaged and negotiated with Communist Russia.

The 50-year embargo against Cuba has not worked. If the goal was regime change, then it sure does not seem to be working. It also hurts the people more than the regime, because the regime can blame the embargo for hardship.

Emotions understandably run high for those whose parents and grandparents had their land and their lives taken from them. But if our goal is to defeat Castro and defeat communism then perhaps we should step back and ask ourselves, “Has the embargo worked?” If we allow the passions to cool, maybe just maybe, we might conclude that trade is better than war and that capitalism wins ever time a people get a chance to see its products.

Let’s hope cooler heads will ultimately prevail and we unleash a trade tsunami that washes the Castros once and for all into the sea.
 

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it was always funny to me that 99% of Cubans in South Florida look lily white when Cuba has a sizeable black population

maybe it's because those immigrants benefited from the Batista regime while living conditions and civil rights for Afro-Cubans improved greatly under Castro :sas2:
its common knowledge the Cubans in Florida are of the class of people that were doing well under the previous regime...
...it helped the poor some, but the affluent had to dip.
 

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Compare other countries' economies to the U.S.'s without accounting for 300 years of slavery and genocide and ethnic cleansing to acquire all of its national territory and resources. :mjlol:

im not even sure what point you are trying to make, but just for grins and giggles, what country in the western hemisphere does NOT have a 300 year history of slavery, genocide and ethnic cleansing?
 

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im not even sure what point you are trying to make, but just for grins and giggles, what country in the western hemisphere does NOT have a 300 year history of slavery, genocide and ethnic cleansing?

Most do, but the territory claimed by the U.S. is rich in resources, agricultural conditions, etc., in a way that other countries in the Western Hemisphere aren't. Add that to 300 years of free labor and a huge population and you'd better be the biggest economy in the world.
 

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Most do, but the territory claimed by the U.S. is rich in resources, agricultural conditions, etc. Add that to 300 years of free labor and a huge population and you'd better be the biggest economy in the world.

actually they all have a history of slavery and genocide, the difference is capitalism, if it was resources, free labor (slavery) and huge population being the main factors brazil would be the largest economy
 

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oh you want a cookie? the same whites you mentioned also reside in DR so what is your point? :dahell:


Taking over shyt?? :mjlol: you have much to catch up neighbor, you have much to catch up neighbor...DR is the top country in the Caribbean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_American_and_Caribbean_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Note: Due to lack of data, Cuba is not included.

Country GDP (PPP) (millions) GDP per capita (PPP) [1]
22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png
Brazil 2,309,138 14,551
23px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png
Mexico 1,659,016 16,426
23px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png
Argentina 710,690 18,200
23px-Flag_of_Colombia.svg.png
Colombia 467,670 11,892
23px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png
Venezuela 369,324 17,951
23px-Flag_of_Peru.svg.png
Peru 300,114 11,805
23px-Flag_of_Chile.svg.png
Chile 281,368 21,468
23px-Flag_of_Ecuador.svg.png
Ecuador 125,066 10,
oh you want a cookie? the same whites you mentioned also reside in DR so what is your point? :dahell:


Taking over shyt?? :mjlol: you have much to catch up neighbor, you have much to catch up neighbor...DR is the top country in the Caribbean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_American_and_Caribbean_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Note: Due to lack of data, Cuba is not included.

Country GDP (PPP) (millions) GDP per capita (PPP) [1]
22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png
Brazil 2,309,138 14,551
23px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png
Mexico 1,659,016 16,426
23px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png
Argentina 710,690 18,200
23px-Flag_of_Colombia.svg.png
Colombia 467,670 11,892
23px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png
Venezuela 369,324 17,951
23px-Flag_of_Peru.svg.png
Peru 300,114 11,805
23px-Flag_of_Chile.svg.png
Chile 281,368 21,468
23px-Flag_of_Ecuador.svg.png
Ecuador 125,066 10,073
23px-Flag_of_the_Dominican_Republic.svg.png
Dominican Republic 93,408 11,208


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Also note that your women also come to DR for prostitution :umad:
You got so riled up you didn't even read the post or comprehend it. My point is to those who say the mere presence of Americans will have some impact on Cuba, culturally, politically or otherwise. And I'm saying tourist from all over the globe visit (including Canadiens who are indistinguishable from Americans) and it has had no impact. People seem to think the fanny pack brigade is not already there but it certainly is...

You seem to be saying tourism will continue to be a dominate force in the DR... I HOPE SO! DR apparently has way better beaches. Good luck.

I'm saying our taking over (means of economic power) will have absolutely nothing to do with tourism. That's all you all can do.. We are strong in other areas. Again we are nothing alike...
 
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