Vegeta's Death :sadbron:

[Sterling Archer]

Goku didn't spend anymore time in the chamber because he had MAXED out as a super saiyan (stated). The nikka actually slept as a ssj in the manga I believe. He increased his stamina as a ssj as opposed to strength, which in turn allowed him to train much more efficiently. No need to continue to torture himself training. His words. Vegeta was always close to Goku. In fact once Vegeta became ssj, he was stronger than goku all the way up until Goku completed his time chamber training. Then I was Gohan who was the strongest.

 

[Swiggy]

The fukking DEFIANCE of Vegeta, G to the very fukking end

"You are a FOOL I will crush you in my hand, and THROW you into the wind!"

Goku Cena with his bullshyt, when Vegeta is who the DBZ Universe wants to see on top

 

[loki]

Goku didn't spend anymore time in the chamber because he had MAXED out as a super saiyan (stated). The nikka actually slept as a ssj in the manga I believe. He increased his stamina as a ssj as opposed to strength, which in turn allowed him to train much more efficiently. No need to continue to torture himself training. His words. Vegeta was always close to Goku. In fact once Vegeta became ssj, he was stronger than goku all the way up until Goku completed his time chamber training. Then I was Gohan who was the strongest.

He maxed out as a super saiyan.1. He wasn't completely maxed out. Another year of training and he would have been able to ascend to ssj2. Especially since he is fighting against his stronger son.

As far as vegeta being stronger than him once he became a super saiyan, yeah that was never proven. Piccolo said he might even be stronger than Goku. Never said it for sure and given the fact that vegeta was so shocked and upset at gokus full power when he unleashed it would tell you that he wasn't close. Which is surprising because he was already strong from spending that one day in the chamber and he knew what gohan and Goku were doing. Imo vegeta and trunks should have been the strongest z fighters at the cell games.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Speculation breh. Goku himself stated he wouldn't become any stronger by staying. Therefore, no matter how much you think othewise, its fruitless. The whole arc was about plateaus. He reached the plateau of ssj in one session. Gohan is only stronger at ssj2, which he wouldn't have reached in the chamber so there's no benefit of it. Arbitrarily saying all he needed was a year has no base since he trained in the Other world for 7yrs with no mention of how long it took. Goku clearly was above Vegeta during the Cell Games but by how much can only be proven by feats and Vegeta was on par with Cell jrs as much as Goku. Doesn't prove much but Gokus point blank kame blast did only about 25% more damage then Vegeta's Final Flash which was quite far away by comparison and not completely focused on Cell due to the angle and him trying not to blow the planet up. That being said, Gokus level was above him but not incomprehensibly so.

Vegetas base is universally accepted as stronger than Goku by quite a margin. Once he becomes ssj, it stands to reason that his multiplier of ssj power would exceed Gokus. For plot reasons, he'd have to exceed Goku only while he was off panel. Otherwise they'd fight immediately. Piccolo first says he might be, then says yes he believes so. You disagreeing is just going against what is stated or strongly implied. Piccolo trained with Goku as a ssj for 3yrs. He was the most informed about Gokus power and it speaks volumes that he is the one to say he thinks Vegeta was stronger at the time. There's really nothing to question and no feat between 19 and 20 up to Gokus RoSaT training to contradict it.

 

[loki]

You call my post speculation yet you state that he would not have been able to transform in the chamber. Hmm, I disagree with you there. Also Goku was worn out when they started fighting cell Jr and vegeta was at full strength. And considering how vegeta reacted when Goku powered up, I have to disagree with you once again.

Vegeta very well could have been stronger than Goku. But it was never stated as a fact. In the anime piccolo said vegeta might be stronger than Goku. A few seconds later gohan or krillin asks if he really thought that and he says yes. In the manga he also says that he might be stronger. So unless I'm missing something or you can show me him actually saying, yes vegeta is definitely stronger, then I will continue disagreeing

 

[Urahara_Kisuke]

"Kakarot, please. Destroy Frieza. He made me what I am. Don't let him do it to anyone else. *Vegeta raises his hand to Goku* Whatever it takes. Stop him."

 

[Sterling Archer]

You call my post speculation yet you state that he would not have been able to transform in the chamber. Hmm, I disagree with you there. Also Goku was worn out when they started fighting cell Jr and vegeta was at full strength. And considering how vegeta reacted when Goku powered up, I have to disagree with you once again.

Its not speculation on my part. Its stated that simply training will not ascend you to the next level. The RoSaT would not change anything. Its stated breh. You can't argue against stated facts with nothing to contradict it. Even if you feel strongly about it.

 

[loki]

Its not speculation on my part. Its stated that simply training will not ascend you to the next level. The RoSaT would not change anything. Its stated breh. You can't argue against stated facts with nothing to contradict it. Even if you feel strongly about it.

Thats to become a ssj1. That was the only time they mentioned it. Goku went to ssj2 and ssj3 just training and fighting. Wasn't any need or anything because he was dead. And besides gohan changed to ssj1 and 2 in the room. So youre going to tell me it was impossible for earths greatest fighter to do the same?

 

[Urbanmiracle]

Y'all forget that when Goku turned into ssj2 and ssj3 he was dead. I'm going by the Japanese version (fukk a other world). Dude was dead. His power unlimited which is why he could turn into ssj3 all day and it wouldn't affect him. Once he became alive, ssj3 became a strain on his body. Gohan was always mentioned to have unlimited untapped potential to exceed and in fact the original writer of DBZ wanted Gohan to be the main hero after Cell which is why Goku was basically written off in that lame way. But the audience didn't take to Gohan like writer planned and the series dipped in ratings which is why all of sudden you have Goten who looks exactly and acts more like Goku.


As far as Vegeta is heavily implied in the anime itself that he was stronger than Goku once he ascended to SSJ. Maybe because due to Goku suffering the heart disease, but Vegeta was the strongest for awhile. Then Goku rose and completely mastered SSJ which was the goal of the training inside the time chamber. Gohan turning to SSJ2 was a complete shock to Goku and he realize it would a secret weapon against Cell.

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

You don't reach a higher ssj level by training

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

Thats to become a ssj1. That was the only time they mentioned it. Goku went to ssj2 and ssj3 just training and fighting. Wasn't any need or anything because he was dead. And besides gohan changed to ssj1 and 2 in the room. So youre going to tell me it was impossible for earths greatest fighter to do the same?

Mate if memory serves me right, gohan momentarily changed into an ascended ssj and they confused that with ssj2. There has never been an increase in ssj level on screen that's been achieved solely by training...it's always happened after the person has experienced some great trauma. Your point is moot and baseless


And better yet come to think of it, gohan only flash transformed into an asscended ssj when he was struggling with training and got mad

 

[loki]

Mate if memory serves me right, gohan momentarily changed into an ascended ssj and they confused that with ssj2. There has never been an increase in ssj level on screen that's been achieved solely by training...it's always happened after the person has experienced some great trauma. Your point is moot and baseless


And better yet come to think of it, gohan only flash transformed into an asscended ssj when he was struggling with training and got mad

So goten, vegeta, and gohan all turned ssj after they suffered a great trauma?

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

So goten, vegeta, and gohan all turned ssj after they suffered a great trauma?

Did you watch the show? Yes vegeta turned ssj after great trauma. He became enraged on that random planet that goku could turn ssj and he couldn't. His life became endangered after that giant boulder was about to hit and he magically turned ssj for the first time out of desperation

You show me a scene where a character turns ssj or attains a higher level of ssj without great trauma and ill shut up


They even said on the show that's how you turn ssj...I don't understand why you can't get that into your head...and arguing about anything to do with characters like goten is status because the rules set by the show were long thrown in the bushes by that point. The show plotwise was a mess by then

 

[Fillerguy]

Y'all forget that when Goku turned into ssj2 and ssj3 he was dead. I'm going by the Japanese version (fukk a other world). Dude was dead. His power unlimited which is why he could turn into ssj3 all day and it wouldn't affect him. Once he became alive, ssj3 became a strain on his body. Gohan was always mentioned to have unlimited untapped potential to exceed and in fact the original writer of DBZ wanted Gohan to be the main hero after Cell which is why Goku was basically written off in that lame way. But the audience didn't take to Gohan like writer planned and the series dipped in ratings which is why all of sudden you have Goten who looks exactly and acts more like Goku.


As far as Vegeta is heavily implied in the anime itself that he was stronger than Goku once he ascended to SSJ. Maybe because due to Goku suffering the heart disease, but Vegeta was the strongest for awhile. Then Goku rose and completely mastered SSJ which was the goal of the training inside the time chamber. Gohan turning to SSJ2 was a complete shock to Goku and he realize it would a secret weapon against Cell.

These Japs ruining their own shyt. Gohan was clearly the best character of series second Da Prince. These Jap fans pulled the same shyt with Sasuke in Naruto, that why Sasuke hijacked the manga for nearly 5 years

Akira should kept Vegeta dead then bring him back at the end of the Buu Saga to set Goku up with a alley oop.

 

[loki]

Did you watch the show? Yes vegeta turned ssj after great trauma. He became enraged on that random planet that goku could turn ssj and he couldn't. His life became endangered after that giant boulder was about to hit and he magically turned ssj for the first time out of desperation

You show me a scene where a character turns ssj or attains a higher level of ssj without great trauma and ill shut up


They even said on the show that's how you turn ssj...I don't understand why you can't get that into your head...and arguing about anything to do with characters like goten is status because the rules set by the show were long thrown in the bushes by that point. The show plotwise was a mess by then

I'm going off memory but vegeta was already safe. He had saved his ship and destroyed that last big rock. Depending in which version you watched, the original he said he was done and didn't care if he was stronger than Goku, then he transformed. The kai version he asks why he can't be stronger than him and then transforms.

Goku said that's how you transform because that how he did it. That's why he taught gohan that way. Already showed you a character that didn't transform that way but of course you just want to dismiss it