Venezuela Crisis: Failed coup attempt by Juan Guaido; Military remains supporting Nicholas Maduro
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Perfectson
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People don’t seem to understand that .. even Colombia by themselves could take them pretty easily
Json
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No one on Earth doubts the US on a military front except against China maybe.
It's the rebuilding part we don't have the stomach for. And I doubt that intervening in a socialist country would be any different from our quagmires in the ME.
We need to stop thinking that "giving people the vote" is equal to they will make the capitalist choice we want them to make.
The opposite of both these happened.
We all need to remember there are cultural forces going on before we started paying attention so guessing about where lines will fall based on the outcome is dangerous.
thatrapsfan
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Theres no point in debating a a highly unlikely hypothetical.....but this is silly. The reference to Vietnam clearly references an insurgency.
Of course the U.S. can defeat the Venezuelan army, but theres always the chance for a drawn out insurgency if/when institutions collapse and some loyalists retain arms. Anyway it wont happen so this debate is a sideshow.
Copy Ninja
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I don't really think we should get involved, but if Maduro slaughters his opposition, what kind of heat will the US get letting innocent people get massacred?
Perfectson
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That's not what was being referenced tho, way stayed if we put troops on the ground it would be some long battle like Vietnam. It would be like Iraq, those generals would disappear quick once the heat got put on . Vietnam had been waging war and has just defeated the French colonial rule.
If you wanna talk about insurgency or counter insurgencies that's fine, but that's not what was said.
I understand that rebuilding Venezuela won't be easy, but there's not once singular person or group that can fix Venezuela with a magic wand. It's gonna take decades to fix Venezuela unless a larger country takes the reins (and even still that may take decades
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Perfectson
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Both are happening what are you talking about .
The generals are trying to keep control and many high ranking officials have ready jumped shipped
Maduro has fell back and has been sending out different envoys to the US and other countries , guaido hasn't been touched and Maduro has the capacity to get at him and if this was 3 years ago he'd be in jail or dead.
Red Cross warns U.S. about risks of sending aid to Venezuela
Elliott Abrams, the man who sent weapons in humanitarian aid shipments to the Contras in the past is in charge of the US response to Venezuela and you still find the energy to be completely outraged at Maduro wanting to block US aid while accepting Red Cross aid
thatrapsfan
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It’s not going to happen. Not a single regional ally is willing to be dragged in it. The US military doesn’t want it, Trump voters aren’t clamouring for it. No chance. Even Brazil’s military VP immediately ruled it out.
All this tea leaf reading doesn’t change any of that. Trump also mused about “seizing the oil” from Iraq and nothing’s happened. If Trump faced zero constraints in FP, Qatar would’ve been invaded in 2017.
88m3
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Venezuelan soldiers kill two in clash over aid on Brazilian border
Date created : 22/02/2019 - 19:43Latest update : 22/02/2019 - 22:04
Marcelo Garcia, AFP | Handout picture released by the Venezuelan Presidency showing Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro (R) making the V-sign during a military rally on January 30, 2019.
Text by:FRANCE 24
Venezuelan soldiers shot and killed two people and wounded 15 others when they tried to prevent the troops from blocking an entry route for humanitarian aid on the Brazilian border, a human rights groups said on Friday.
“An indigenous woman and her husband were killed and at least 15 other members of the Pemon indigenous community were injured,” said the civil humanities association Kape Kape.
The clash occurred close to the border with Brazil, which President Nicolas Maduro ordered closed on Thursday.
After this first bloodshed linked to efforts to bring aid into the country against the orders of embattled Maduro, United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres strongly appealed for violence to be avoided in Venezuela, a U.N. spokesman said.
“Any loss of life is regrettable,” U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric told reporters. “Looking ahead for tomorrow the secretary-general strongly appeals for violence to be avoided.”
Opposition leader Juan Guaido has vowed to bring in foreign aid from neighboring countries on Saturday and called on security forces to disobey Maduro and let supplies into the country suffering food and medicine shortages.
Pathways to find food
Venezuela’s Pemon indigenous community use unofficial border pathways to cross into Brazil to buy food.
“We crossed the border from Venezuela to Brazil via other paths because the national guards closed the border,” said Genesis Valencia, a 26-year-old Pemon woman.
“That’s why we had to come through other paths. We came to buy things here in Brazil because there’s nothing in Venezuela...no food, no medicine...people, kids, are dying of hunger.”
Maduro, who has blocked the delivery of stockpiled humanitarian aid in a tense standoff with his rival Juan Guaido recognized as interim leader by more than 50 countries on Thursday ordered the border with Brazil “completely and absolutely” closed until further notice.
Venezuelan soldiers kill two in clash over aid on Brazilian border
Date created : 22/02/2019 - 19:43Latest update : 22/02/2019 - 22:04
Marcelo Garcia, AFP | Handout picture released by the Venezuelan Presidency showing Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro (R) making the V-sign during a military rally on January 30, 2019.
Text by:FRANCE 24
Venezuelan soldiers shot and killed two people and wounded 15 others when they tried to prevent the troops from blocking an entry route for humanitarian aid on the Brazilian border, a human rights groups said on Friday.
“An indigenous woman and her husband were killed and at least 15 other members of the Pemon indigenous community were injured,” said the civil humanities association Kape Kape.
The clash occurred close to the border with Brazil, which President Nicolas Maduro ordered closed on Thursday.
After this first bloodshed linked to efforts to bring aid into the country against the orders of embattled Maduro, United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres strongly appealed for violence to be avoided in Venezuela, a U.N. spokesman said.
“Any loss of life is regrettable,” U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric told reporters. “Looking ahead for tomorrow the secretary-general strongly appeals for violence to be avoided.”
Opposition leader Juan Guaido has vowed to bring in foreign aid from neighboring countries on Saturday and called on security forces to disobey Maduro and let supplies into the country suffering food and medicine shortages.
Pathways to find food
Venezuela’s Pemon indigenous community use unofficial border pathways to cross into Brazil to buy food.
“We crossed the border from Venezuela to Brazil via other paths because the national guards closed the border,” said Genesis Valencia, a 26-year-old Pemon woman.
“That’s why we had to come through other paths. We came to buy things here in Brazil because there’s nothing in Venezuela...no food, no medicine...people, kids, are dying of hunger.”
Maduro, who has blocked the delivery of stockpiled humanitarian aid in a tense standoff with his rival Juan Guaido recognized as interim leader by more than 50 countries on Thursday ordered the border with Brazil “completely and absolutely” closed until further notice.
Venezuelan soldiers kill two in clash over aid on Brazilian border
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