Venezuela feels the Bern...Hunger,blackouts,Rationing

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Bad thread.
Really bad thread.
Its not the Socialist policies that are the cause of Venezuela's ills.

Really?? The nationalization of industries that made them so unproductive and the redistribution of farmland that has destroyed their food production has NOTHING to do with the mess they are in??

Its the lack of diversification economically, the dependence on oil, and the corruption.

Which S American country doesnt have a problem with corruption? Since the Govt seized key industries and the Oil fields who is responsible for that lack of diversification?

Really, the first two cause the greatest amount of damage, had Chavez held on to some of the oil export money, and started heavily exporting other goods while working closely with other pink tide countries, Venezuela wouldn't be in the state its in now

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They would still be screwed..the Govt spending on free shyt programs would have bled them dry sooner or later...they could barely keep up when Oil was over $4/gallon

Free college, healthcare, higher minimum wage, lower COL, better transportation systems, improved infrastruture, lower employment rates, lower crime, more open relations with nearby countries, and a stronger military all go hand-in-hand.

That very Utopian but who will pay for it all...and how will it all be done without a huge bureaucracy which means more cost and more corruption which adds to the cost again...its an endless race to the bottom.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Word..So what youre saying that socialism will only work in a country thats already wealthy..

which in itself is an admission of failure because anyone with more than a double digit IQ will notice the obvious
WHY cant socialism lift anyone out of poverty???...

Or maybe they are just better at math than you

The stupid is so conspicuous it's dribbling out of your mouth.

First of all, clearly no math involved anywhere here. Who are the great "better at math" countries who you want to lift up as your examples?

Second, "socialism" has nothing do with with the corrupt, stupid mess that Venezuela is. They had massive corruption and economic failure in the 1980s and 1990s BEFORE Huge Chavez came in with his supposed "socialist" agenda, they continued to be corrupt and have issues during their 15 years under Chavez, and they're still corrupt and problem-ridden now that Chavez is dead. If they suddenly get a new leader who bows down to the World Bank and implements all their "liberalization" policies....they'll still stay poor and corrupt.

Of course, anyone who knows history knows the problems that Venezuela was having before Chavez came in, and knows what a mess Chavez was, and knows that the abstract idea of "socialism" (which is reality has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders's actual policies anyways) has nothing to do with the issues in Venezuela.


But you're not aiming your message at people who know things.

How about instead of listening to you...i quote the Danish Prime minister telling you THEY ARE NOT SOCIALIST


Maybe he knows a little more about his country than you genius

What the hell does that have anything to do with anything I said?


Bernie Sanders's policy prescriptions for America were akin to things that have already been done in countries like Sweden and Denmark, not what's been done in Venezuela. I agree that those policies are best labeled "social democracy".


What weird kind of stupid obsession do you have that the word Sanders used is more important to you than the actual policies he proposed?


Do you really think Coli posters are so dumb that they'll believe an argument as thin as yours?

 

[88m3]

Bad thread.
Really bad thread.
Its not the Socialist policies that are the cause of Venezuela's ills.
Its the lack of diversification economically, the dependence on oil, and the corruption.
Really, the first two cause the greatest amount of damage, had Chavez held on to some of the oil export money, and started heavily exporting other goods while working closely with other pink tide countries, Venezuela wouldn't be in the state its in now.
Free college, healthcare, higher minimum wage, lower COL, better transportation systems, improved infrastruture, lower employment rates, lower crime, more open relations with nearby countries, and a stronger military all go hand-in-hand.

Does it matter now? Not trying to be funny...

 

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The stupid is so conspicuous it's dribbling out of your mouth.

First of all, clearly no math involved anywhere here. Who are the great "better at math" countries who you want to lift up as your examples?

LMAOO...youre a dumbass..that barb implied anyone who believes in socialism is remedial in math....

Second, "socialism" has nothing do with with the corrupt, stupid mess that Venezuela is. They had massive corruption and economic failure in the 1980s and 1990s BEFORE Huge Chavez came in with his supposed "socialist" agenda, they continued to be corrupt and have issues during their 15 years under Chavez, and they're still corrupt and problem-ridden now that Chavez is dead. If they suddenly get a new leader who bows down to the World Bank and implements all their "liberalization" policies....they'll still stay poor and corrupt.

Youre a fukking genius...wow...so they pursue socialist policies for almost 20 years end up poorer than their non socialist neighbors who dont even have near as much oil

but somehow its not the fault of socialism

Of course, anyone who knows history knows the problems that Venezuela was having before Chavez came in, and knows what a mess Chavez was, and knows that the abstract idea of "socialism" (which is reality has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders's actual policies anyways) has nothing to do with the issues in Venezuela.


But you're not aiming your message at people who know things.

What EXACTLY do you "know" cos so far your posts lead me to believe you have never opened a book without brightly colored pictures on every page

Do you plan to start posting this "knowledge" anytime soon?

What the hell does that have anything to do with anything I said?


Bernie Sanders's policy prescriptions for America were akin to things that have already been done in countries like Sweden and Denmark, not what's been done in Venezuela. I agree that those policies are best labeled "social democracy".

..and youre STILL wrong....The PRIME MINISTER himself says we are not socialist...so what the fukk were you saying earlier

Instead of being a grown man and saying i was wrong you make up this weak "social democracy" shyt...the man himself said Denmark is a mixed market economy with an expanded welfare state....so where are you getting social democracy from??

What weird kind of stupid obsession do you have that the word Sanders used is more important to you than the actual policies he proposed?
Do you really think Coli posters are so dumb that they'll believe an argument as thin as yours?

The worst of all deceptions is self deception--Plato

 

[joeychizzle]

looks like we've got another low-quality poster in HL now I'm finna stop posting here

For a sub-forum named Higher Learning, there exists unfortunately a deluge of HIGHLY sub-par posters. Sub-par is about as polite as I can be.
Might as well rename this section Smart Dumbs & Hoteps

 

[CHL]

I totally agree..if the quality of males here is low you should be on one of those homosexual sites where the men look better

Given your recent behaviour and admittance's I'm looking at this post in a different light

You need to have a talk with someone man

 

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Given your recent behaviour and admittance's I'm looking at this post in a different light

You need to have a talk with someone man

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

Still arguing semantics I see...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

dudes still ignoring the real consequences of venezuela's bullshyt

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[88m3]

Just give Venezuela to Colombia and call it a day already.

 

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socialism


They should feed Maduro and his economic team to those lions

 

[plushcarpet]

Mcdonalds not selling big macs is like the final sign of the apocalypse for a country

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

AMERICAS

Venezuela has a new 'forced labor' law that can require people to work in fields

By Alan Hernández

July 28, 2016 | 5:41 pm
International human rights activists are complaining that new laws have introduced forced labour in Venezuela.

"A new decree establishing that any employee in Venezuela can be effectively made to work in the country's fields as a way to fight the current food crisis is unlawful and effectively amounts to forced labor," Amnesty International said in a statement released on Thursday.

President Nicolás Maduro signed a decree at the end of last week that gives powers to the labor ministry to order "all workers from the public and private sector with enough physical capabilities and technical know-how" to join a government drive aimed at increasing food production.

They can be required to work in the agricultural sector for a 60-day period that can be extended for another 60 days "if the circumstances require it."

Shortages of basic goods have become a normal part of life for most Venezuelans ever since the country was plunged into an economic crisis by the plummeting oil price. Food shortages have become particularly acute in recent months, accompanied by violent demonstrations and violent responses to these by the police.

Earlier this month, 120,000 desperate Venezuelans took advantage of a weekend's temporary relaxation of border controls to flood into the Colombian city of Cúcuta to shop for basics. Local stores reportedly ran out of supplies in a few hours.

Antonio Pestana, chief of Venezuela's farming association, told reporters last month that only 25 percent of agricultural land is actually being farmed.

Last week's decree promises to boost production by increasing the workforce of companies in the sector. It orders that these companies should pay the salaries of the workers loaned to them.

Related: There's no sign of an end to Venezuela's food crisis

Maduro's government has repeatedly blamed the shortages in Venezuela on an "economic war" waged by right-wing businesses supported by US imperialism who seek to bring down his socialist government.

The latest decree states its aim is to "guarantee food supply, social justice, and democracy," and claims it is necessary as "a defense against the economic war." It comes at a time when President Maduro is also struggling to hold off efforts by the political opposition to force a referendum on whether he should remain in office.

"The new decree completely misses the point when it comes to finding ways for Venezuela to crawl out of the deep crisis it has been submerged in for years," Erika Guevara Rosas, Americas Director at Amnesty International, said in Thursday's statement. "Trying to tackle Venezuela's severe food shortages by forcing people to work the fields is like trying to fix a broken leg with a band aid."

Venezuela has a new 'forced labor' law that can require people to work in fields | VICE News


and you troglodytes thought Obama would be bad