Versuz: The Lox Vs Dipset 8/3 9:30PM ET

[Homer Simpson]

I was highly anticipating this battle. Had to leave partway through and didn't even feel bad because of how bad Dipset's showing was.

Jadaquips with the one liners again

 

[Woodrow]

So those artists aren’t R&B then? Are ya’ll arguing R&B and hip hop is the same thing? I’m legit confused.
I get that certain R&B artists brought a hip hop swag and aesthetic to the music in the 90s and Puff had Jodeci and Mary singing over classic hip hop beats, but they were always R&B singers.

I’m saying hip hop can also be r&b. the same way it can be pop(ular) music. the same way Drake or Kanye or Tyler can sing all over certain songs and it’s still hip hop. Or Run DMC can call themselves the king of rock and rhyme over a rock riff on a hip hop track. Or Mary can be the queen of hip hop soul.

Or Chris Brown can Look At Me Now. Or Nicki can have Taylor Swift and white girls everywhere reciting Super Bass.

hip hop doesn’t fit neatly into one classification. that’s exactly why artists like Missy are important. she moved this shyt forward in her own way.

 

[OfTheCross]

JUELZ HOW YOU GONNA SET US UP YOU CRAAAZY

ride or bytch then honey rmx....LOX WITH A MASTER CLASS!!!!!

LOL.

"Juelz you bumped ya head nikka"

Plays Mary J Blige Family Affair remix.

These nikkas were Ali and Mayweather combined tonight. Anwered EVERYTHING

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

STYLES p LOCKED UP!

 

[mobbinfms]

I can’t really explain it but I know when I read those names my immediate response was of course they’re hip hop.

It’s the culture breh.

Those artists are just as loved in the culture as 99% of rap nikkas.

I can understand this and agree.
There are certain artists/songs that aren’t hip hop but are beloved by the culture.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

So those artists aren’t R&B then? Are ya’ll arguing R&B and hip hop is the same thing? I’m legit confused.
I get that certain R&B artists brought a hip hop swag and aesthetic to the music in the 90s and Puff had Jodeci and Mary singing over classic hip hop beats, but they were always R&B singers.

You can be part of hip hop culture while singing. Hip hop ain’t rap only. And this crossover is why traditional r&b is suffering/died. R&B became too hip hop over the past 25 yrs

 

[mobbinfms]

I’m saying hip hop can also be r&b. the same way it can be pop(ular) music. the same way Drake or Kanye or Tyler can sing all over certain songs and it’s still hip hop. Or Run DMC can call themselves the king of rock and rhyme over a rock riff on a hip hop track. Or Mary can be the queen of hip hop soul.

Or Chris Brown can Look At Me Now. Or Nicki can have Taylor Swift and white girls everywhere reciting Super Bass.

hip hop doesn’t fit neatly into one classification. that’s exactly why artists like Missy are important. she moved this shyt forward in her own way.

This I don’t understand. So if Taylor Swift reciting Super Bass is hip hop, what isn’t hip hop?

I get that this is art and it’s not always going to be black and white and there are going to be gray areas, but there has to be some foundational characteristics to hip hop.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

So those artists aren’t R&B then? Are ya’ll arguing R&B and hip hop is the same thing? I’m legit confused.
I get that certain R&B artists brought a hip hop swag and aesthetic to the music in the 90s and Puff had Jodeci and Mary singing over classic hip hop beats, but they were always R&B singers.

I mean if I walked into a music store back in the day I'd go to the R&B section to find them, but I think people are saying in the bigger sense of hip-hop culture. There's a difference in how you divide music into what parts of the store to find it in and the culture at large. That's how I view it at least.

Mary J, Aaliyah, and Missy are hip-hop. They could walk into the studio with Lox, Primo, Dre, Wu, Mobb, or anyone else, and no one is gonna give any funny looks about the situation. They're just as respected by our favorite hip-hop artists as they are by anyone else.

Hip-hop as a culture is bigger than just rhyming words, and just because those artists sing instead of rap, that doesn't make them not hip-hop to me.

 

[mobbinfms]

You can be part of hip hop culture while singing. Hip hop ain’t rap only. And this crossover is why traditional r&b is suffering/died. R&B became too hip hop over the past 25 yrs

What are the foundational characteristics of hip hop?

 

[tuckgod]

thats why they rap over vocals

All them “Im not a rapper, I’m a hustler that raps” era nikkas gone have to start coming up with routines like The Temptations to compete

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

What are the foundational characteristics of hip hop?

Don’t do that. Cuz one has died and the other morphed into the producer - the music can make something hip hop. Which a lot of those artists like MJB had - hip hop beats backing their vocals. In addition to contributing to rap records, styled in hip hop gear, etc

 

[avon barksdale]

 

[TheDarceKnight]

This I don’t understand. So if Taylor Swift reciting Super Bass is hip hop, what isn’t hip hop?

I get that this is art and it’s not always going to be black and white and there are going to be gray areas, but there has to be some foundational characteristics to hip hop.

Well Taylor Swift has no history within the art form.

I think a lot of it is frankly dictated by what elite peers in hip-hop think. If all my favorite hip-hop producers and artists tell me they think Mary J is hip-hop, then I'm not gonna argue. And yes, I realize that taking someone's word just because they're an authority isn't the best logic, but I feel like there are certain intangibles when you're dealing with art. This shyt isn't always perfectly logical, ya know?

If Mary J can swim with the sharks and run immensely respected in the same studio sessions as anyone else, and be considered as hip-hop as it gets, then I'm not gonna argue with that shyt too much.

And using her as an example, there's just a certain style, swagger, charisma, and subject matter that says hip-hop to me. It's just something I feel when I listen to her music. Even though she sings, she's still got an edge and she's not soft.

 

[Woodrow]

This I don’t understand. So if Taylor Swift reciting Super Bass is hip hop, what isn’t hip hop?

I get that this is art and it’s not always going to be black and white and there are going to be gray areas, but there has to be some foundational characteristics to hip hop.

my bad. I’m not saying Taylor Swift reciting super bass is hip hop. Im not worried about Taylor Swift.

I’m saying Nicki can still be hip hop when she’s making a crossover hit that resonates with a completely different audience, because Super Bass still felt like hip hop, and because Nicki’s come up was hip hop as fukk.

She can also go too far and drop a Starships.. but that’s a different convo lol.

Apologies if what I’m saying got lost in translation.

 

[boskey]

All them “Im not a rapper, I’m a hustler that raps” era nikkas gone have to start coming up with routines like The Temptations to compete

Thats the moral of the story. "Swag" does not age well, dedication to the craft lasts forever...