Verzuz Presents: Bone Thugz vs 3-6 Mafia

[VBM]

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you lying.

even the most biased east coast rap heads know "everyday thang" and "shoot em up".

Not saying I haven't heard them before, just don't remember them. Didn't stand out for whatever reason. Late 30s, and I'm not east coast.

 

[the cool]

Surprised that Bone is winning.

Triple 6 got way more replay value for me. I still check for their new shyt, like that Isaiah remix.

Bone are cool but 3 6 all day for me.

bone was the biggest group in the 90's

bigger than wu tang




me i don't care who wins

 

[Thegospel]

@Wacky D
What you think about them performing Struggle w Petey Pablo and Into the Future? Two lowkey gems

 

[kingofnyc]

they were the two biggest rap groups of the '90s, their career arcs mirrored each other at the same dam time, they had real beef and they were the great debate when it came to rap groups in the same vein as pac/big and later jay/nas.......and as far as rap forums go, i would say that the stan beefs on forums for wu/bone was arguably bigger than that of pac/big.

and bone has more in common with wutang than they do with 3-6 mafia; especially when it comes down to 3-6' playlist on verzus. that chit is gonna be the epitomy of apples versus oranges.

people just dont want the east coast to risk getting washed, especially wutang who aint even battling east coast rapper. just low-viewed battles against themselves.

STOP IT - all you’re doing is projecting some big-time rivalry between the 2 which never existed

not to sound like a New York hip hop elitist but Wu wouldn’t even pay no mind/acknowledge Bone in any type of beef/battle although Bone is dope with the way they put out the music and harmonize they are completely different from Wu - its nothing to compare


I’ve been on these hip-hop websites from the very beginning going back to ‘01 and I can probably say I can count on one hand how many times I witness of thread about Wu vs Bone

actually, the most wanted battle with these 2 from posters, blogs, mods etc. etc. suggestion was

• Wu vs The Boot Camp Click
• Bone vs Crucial Conflict

 

[Wacky D]

I’ve been on these hip-hop websites from the very beginning going back to ‘01 and I can probably say I can count on one hand how many times I witness of thread about Wu vs Bone

LOL.

i was CLEARLY talking about rap forums in the '90s and the landscape in general offline............and you respond saying youve been posting since 2001 and claiming that 01 was the beginning of rap forums.

you on some dikkhead talk right now.

@Wacky D
What you think about them performing Struggle w Petey Pablo and Into the Future? Two lowkey gems

naw

this aint the time for that.

Nah. They were nationwide the minute Tear The Club Up dropped in 97. That record and album got a push. Everyone knew who they were.

Yeaa that’s fax like I said they ain’t go nationwide really until 97 lmao I don’t think they even had any videos until then. I know Skinny Pimp had a video for One Life to Live but I don’t remember any 36 videos until Tear da Club up 97. and I agree at that point they were still only B/C level popularity wise until like Stay Fly which is crazy tbh.

they debuted on a major in 97 but they really didnt have any national across the board his until 2000-2001.
and didnt REALLY get big until 2005 and even then, they were never an A-level act. sure, you can call them an A-level group by that point but most of the groups by that point were one-hit wonders.

 

[Mr swag]

Bone thugs will get washed because they won’t practice and it’s gonna sound like HOT shyt.

word to dip set

 

[JustCKing]

theres alot of revisionist history in this post.

eazy-e was NOT a big ass co-sign when bone hit the scene. bone thugs saved ruthless records. the industry was trying to phase eazy/ruthless out the game like they ended up doing to murder inc. then when eazy died, the industry basically shoved his death under the rug. nobody big was even shouting eazy out outside of bone, except master p & them for a lil bit.

and it didnt help that ruthless couldnt break any new acts. theres a long line of failed artists that ruthless put out before bone got there. bone ended up being the biggest draw jn ruthless history. yes even more of a draw than NWA.

not to mention, they had the majority of their success after eazy died. people who were around, dont even associate them with ruthless as much as we associate bone with their own mo thugs movement. bone being as humble as they are, rep eazy to the death but they really dont have to go as hard as they do. most other rappers definitely wouldnt rep eazy that hard if they were in bone's shoes/scenario.

as for the south stuff. 3-6 mafia was C-level. outkast was B-level. no limit soldiers were already A-level before 3-6 mafia dropped their major label debut.
and most of 3-6 mafia's buzz was off the back of bone thugs - which you didnt even mention. same way crucial conflict, do or die & twista all benefted - and all those acts were bigger than 3-6 mafia in the '90s, btw. the only successful double-time rappers that had their own wave, not synonymous with bone were mystikal & silkk the shocker.

Man if you don't gone with this BS. You can't put an OutKast as B level, place Three Six on C Level all while saying No Limit was A Level before 3-6 dropped a major label debut. Keeping it regional, before anybody ever heard about No Limit, Kast was an A Level Southern act. This never changed. You couldn't place anyone on No Limit on an A Level until 1997. OutKast was wildly popular before, during, and after No Limit's run.

I got Bone above Three Six, but Three Six's buzz had nothing to do with Bone and everything to do with "Tear Da Club Up '97". Do or Die, Crucial, and Twista all had their own sound which was nothing like Bone. The closest to Bone was Crucial and they had this country style to them. Only common thread was tongue twisting flows, which Twista pioneered before Bone even became Bone.

And LOL at Silkk The Shocker being a double time rapper. He struggled with that flow and that's why people to this day think he's wack. None of the songs that Silkk is actually known for has him using double time.

In terms of double time, you might as well throw Busta in the hat too. He was definitely doing double time on "Ginme Some More" and "What's It Gonna Be" and "Iz They Wildin".

 

[MIC Que]

theres alot of revisionist history in this post.

eazy-e was NOT a big ass co-sign when bone hit the scene. bone thugs saved ruthless records. the industry was trying to phase eazy/ruthless out the game like they ended up doing to murder inc. then when eazy died, the industry basically shoved his death under the rug. nobody big was even shouting eazy out outside of bone, except master p & them for a lil bit.

and it didnt help that ruthless couldnt break any new acts. theres a long line of failed artists that ruthless put out before bone got there. bone ended up being the biggest draw jn ruthless history. yes even more of a draw than NWA.

not to mention, they had the majority of their success after eazy died. people who were around, dont even associate them with ruthless as much as we associate bone with their own mo thugs movement. bone being as humble as they are, rep eazy to the death but they really dont have to go as hard as they do. most other rappers definitely wouldnt rep eazy that hard if they were in bone's shoes/scenario.

as for the south stuff. 3-6 mafia was C-level. outkast was B-level. no limit soldiers were already A-level before 3-6 mafia dropped their major label debut.
and most of 3-6 mafia's buzz was off the back of bone thugs - which you didnt even mention. same way crucial conflict, do or die & twista all benefted - and all those acts were bigger than 3-6 mafia in the '90s, btw. the only successful double-time rappers that had their own wave, not synonymous with bone were mystikal & silkk the shocker.

U right his cosign probably not as big as it would seem in retrospect but it’s still more than what 3-6 had. I’m sure Eazy knowledge of the game helped BTNH in some. And true I guess I forgot to mention the buzz the beef with Bone would give them. I could say the same thing you did about Eazy tho. 3-6 might’ve been first associated with the whole mid-west/mid-south rap beef against Bone over rapping fast but most of their success comes from their crunk shyt. But I think we making similar points. 3-6 were mainly underground independent artists for the most of the 90s. They signed to Relativity and dropped Chapter 2 which did alright but they started to see more mainstream success with the next album which dropped in 2000 and they just gradually got bigger as the landscape of rap changed to match their sound. Bone were huge in the 90s and seems like they had the game in a chokehold that’s something I wasn’t there for but I gotta give respect for that. If we going off just the 90s yea Bone winning easily but I just feel like 3-6 done put so much work in from 2000 to now that it almost evens out the playing field.

 

[MIC Que]

LOL.

i was CLEARLY talking about rap forums in the '90s and the landscape in general offline............and you respond saying youve been posting since 2001 and claiming that 01 was the beginning of rap forums.

you on some dikkhead talk right now.







naw

this aint the time for that.






they debuted on a major in 97 but they really didnt have any national across the board his until 2000-2001.
and didnt REALLY get big until 2005 and even then, they were never an A-level act. sure, you can call them an A-level group by that point but most of the groups by that point were one-hit wonders.

That was they first major release they was testing the waters they was used to the underground. Still sold half way decent and like u said come 2000 they gave us Sippin on Some Sizzurp .

 

[JustCKing]

If we going off just the 90s yea Bone winning easily but I just feel like 3-6 done put so much work in from 2000 to now that it almost evens out the playing field.

It doesn't even out the playing field because Three Six never reached the heights that Bone reached even at their peak. Even from 2000 to now, Three Six wasn't the biggest group in the game. It never happened until 2005 and even then, it could be argued that Lil' Jon & The Eastside Boyz were still bigger given Crunk Juice dropped in late 2004, but still had singles and songs that ran into 2005. Jon was still producing hits well into 2005 and 2006. Nothing against Three Six Mafia, but most of their love here comes from them getting retrospective respect from new artists who came up on their sound and style.

 

[MIC Que]

It doesn't even out the playing field because Three Six never reached the heights that Bone reached even at their peak. Even from 2000 to now, Three Six wasn't the biggest group in the game. It never happened until 2005 and even then, it could be argued that Lil' Jon & The Eastside Boyz were still bigger given Crunk Juice dropped in late 2004, but still had singles and songs that ran into 2005. Jon was still producing hits well into 2005 and 2006. Nothing against Three Six Mafia, but most of their love here comes from them getting retrospective respect from new artists who came up on their sound and style.

That’s true but idk imo it’s like Bone got what like 5-7 songs that’s like undeniable goat tier that’s gone be near impossible for them to beat but like if 3-6 don’t play their best shyt them rounds and just eat the Ls. I feel like it’s easy for them to take more rounds going against Bones lesser songs.

 

[JustCKing]

Also, a lot of the styles people are in here giving Three Six props for isn't exclusive to Three Six, but Memphis as a whole. And Three Six didn't invent Trap music, they were never associated with Trap until much later like last decade when all these trap producers claimed DJ Paul & Juicy J as influences. But yeah, Memphis as whole is influential and Three Six wasn't the only artists in Memphis dissing Bone.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I’ve said it many times on here but 3 6 don’t belong on the same stage as Bone. 3 6 was never EVER on Bone’s level. Bone was superstars. 3 6 had a cult following. While Bone was going multi plat 3 6 was still putting up cheap ads on page 9 of the Source. Don’t get me wrong 3 6 got a lot of joints but Bone’s peak left a much bigger imprint on the game

 

[BmoreGorilla]

theres alot of revisionist history in this post.

eazy-e was NOT a big ass co-sign when bone hit the scene. bone thugs saved ruthless records. the industry was trying to phase eazy/ruthless out the game like they ended up doing to murder inc. then when eazy died, the industry basically shoved his death under the rug. nobody big was even shouting eazy out outside of bone, except master p & them for a lil bit.

and it didnt help that ruthless couldnt break any new acts. theres a long line of failed artists that ruthless put out before bone got there. bone ended up being the biggest draw jn ruthless history. yes even more of a draw than NWA.

not to mention, they had the majority of their success after eazy died. people who were around, dont even associate them with ruthless as much as we associate bone with their own mo thugs movement. bone being as humble as they are, rep eazy to the death but they really dont have to go as hard as they do. most other rappers definitely wouldnt rep eazy that hard if they were in bone's shoes/scenario.

as for the south stuff. 3-6 mafia was C-level. outkast was B-level. no limit soldiers were already A-level before 3-6 mafia dropped their major label debut.
and most of 3-6 mafia's buzz was off the back of bone thugs - which you didnt even mention. same way crucial conflict, do or die & twista all benefted - and all those acts were bigger than 3-6 mafia in the '90s, btw. the only successful double-time rappers that had their own wave, not synonymous with bone were mystikal & silkk the shocker.

Yup there’s a lot of revisionist history. Folks saying 3 6 is the most influential group of all time


3 6 never had as much influence as Run DMC, PE, NWA, Bone or Wu

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Even if YOU never heard of them, doesn't mean others haven't. But like I said earlier, our generation is not gonna decide who the winner is..Generation Z will.

Generation Z don’t give a fukk about either one of these groups