Vincent Kennedy McMahon squishing WCW appreciation

[MightyHealthy]

That is some twisty logic, bruh. Admittedly WCW was being horribly run but why would the company dying and a monopoly being created be a better option than the possibility of steps being taken to fix what was wrong with WCW and continuing to have another option in the marketplace for workers and fans?

I completely agree with the fact that a monopoly has hurt the wrestling business, but what other option was there?

Who was REALLY willing to buy a company that lost 60-80 million a year from Time Warner? The only other business that seriously considered buying WCW gave up on the deal when they weren't going to get the TV programming deals just handed to them. Another interesting fact about the only other company that considered buying WCW - it doesn't even exist anymore.

WCW was so horribly booked in its last couple years (and lost so much money) that fans (and businesses) couldn't even realistically mess with it anymore. Yeah, some careers got lost in the cracks (Sting, Steiner, DDP, a lot of cruiserweights), but a lot of WCW stars saw longer (and somewhat better) careers in WWE, had WCW just folded like it was inevitably snowballing towards.

Anyone who thinks Vince buying WCW was a good thing is just a WWE dikkrider and not a wrestling fan.

And you talk about "twisty logic"

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

WCW dying was a great day for wrestling, it had been garbage for 2 years at that point

WWE has been garbage for a decade and continuing to get worse with each passing year.

Are you gonna hail it as a great day for wrestling when WWE goes under as well?

 

[Henzo]

WWE has been garbage for a decade and continuing to get worse with each passing year.

Are you gonna hail it as a great day for wrestling when WWE goes under as well?

Depends on how bad it gets

 

[Reggie]

In retrospect the often repeated rumor of Vince sending Russo there to sabotage the company makes sense. Because with all that talent they had a dummy should have been able to book that show and get ratings. But I think Turner just wanted to hire Russo because he thought he was going to be able to make it like Raw had started to become. But it ended up backfiring on their ass and Mcmahon won in the end. Though wrestling as a whole has not been the same since, because their is no legit completion to keep WWE on their toes.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I completely agree with the fact that a monopoly has hurt the wrestling business, but what other option was there?

Who was REALLY willing to buy a company that lost 60-80 million a year from Time Warner? The only other business that seriously considered buying WCW gave up on the deal when they weren't going to get the TV programming deals just handed to them. Another interesting fact about the only other company that considered buying WCW - it doesn't even exist anymore.

WCW was so horribly booked in its last couple years (and lost so much money) that fans (and businesses) couldn't even realistically mess with it anymore. Yeah, some careers got lost in the cracks (Sting, Steiner, DDP, a lot of cruiserweights), but a lot of WCW stars saw longer (and somewhat better) careers in WWE, had WCW just folded like it was inevitably snowballing towards.And you talk about "twisty logic"

The chance (no matter how slim it may have been) of WCW being turned around is better than doing a happy dance that a vindictive dikk like Vince Mcmahon would buy the company and shyt all over its history and the majority of its wrestlers.
And anyone who thinks that McMahon buying WCW and making WWE the only wrestling company for years afterward was a good thing is a WWE stan. That doesn't take twisty logic at all...there is no upside to Vinvce having no competition.

 

[malbaker86]

I just hated how WCW got away from WRESTLING and turned itself into RAW. That killed it.

Vince buying WCW was a smart business move, but just absolutely destroying it after that was terrible. I'm not in his shoes but I would of just bought WCW and left it as it is and try to "resurrect" it years down the line or at least a ONE night or month a year thing

 

[Wacky D]

Im the one looking silly? WCW didnt exist until the territories were dead? The kliq ran rampant in 95, 95 was the height for the wwf?

what the hell does the supposed "height of the wwf" have to do with anything?

before, i was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you were just playing stupid.

and wcw didnt officially exist until 1991 playboy. but thats besides the point. the bottom line is that the territories were not feeder promotions. wrestling was territorial because promoters worked on gentleman's agreements to stay in their own lanes. the wwf used to be territorial as well. you act as if the territores were ovw or something.

I completely agree with the fact that a monopoly has hurt the wrestling business, but what other option was there?

Who was REALLY willing to buy a company that lost 60-80 million a year from Time Warner? The only other business that seriously considered buying WCW gave up on the deal when they weren't going to get the TV programming deals just handed to them. Another interesting fact about the only other company that considered buying WCW - it doesn't even exist anymore.

WCW was so horribly booked in its last couple years (and lost so much money) that fans (and businesses) couldn't even realistically mess with it anymore. Yeah, some careers got lost in the cracks (Sting, Steiner, DDP, a lot of cruiserweights), but a lot of WCW stars saw longer (and somewhat better) careers in WWE, had WCW just folded like it was inevitably snowballing towards.And you talk about "twisty logic"

bishoff had a group ready to buy the company. time warner wanted to chit on ted turner instead.

who are all these wcw stars that saw longer & better careers in the wwe? i'll wait.

Depends on how bad it gets

can it get any worst?

i'll take wcw on its death-bed over the past 4-5 years of the wwe in a heartbeat.

 

[Silkk]

@Wacky D you're the one who brought up the kliq

put vince in charge, and you have triple h marathons on nitro every week. at least the inmates that ran the asylum in wcw were actual draws, unlike the wwf where the kliq played crazy politics while generating no money.

which is completely false

and as far as territories being gone when WCW was in business

Smoky Mountain Wrestling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and thats just one cause im tired of proving you wrong

 

[Wacky D]

@Wacky D you're the one who brought up the kliq


which is completely false

and as far as territories being gone when WCW was in business

Smoky Mountain Wrestling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and thats just one cause im tired of proving you wrong

yes, i brought up the kliq, and my point still stands. you didnt say anything to debunk it.

i didnt say that territories were gone, i said they were "all but gone". and thats being generous.

smokey mountain can be considered a territory, along with uswa, gwf and others. but those days were over. nothing was stopping them from expanding. ecw was terriotorial for years as well, but they eventually expanded when their popularity grew. same with promotions like roh.

 

[trick]

I just hated how WCW got away from WRESTLING and turned itself into RAW. That killed it.

Vince buying WCW was a smart business move, but just absolutely destroying it after that was terrible. I'm not in his shoes but I would of just bought WCW and left it as it is and try to "resurrect" it years down the line or at least a ONE night or month a year thing

That was the worst part of WCW's demise. They clearly had better wrestlers and routinely had better matches, but as soon as they tried to copy WWF it was a wrap. It came off looking lame as fukk, especially when WCW's main event scene was at least a decade older than the WWF upper card.

 

[Gang$tarr]

That is some twisty logic, bruh. Admittedly WCW was being horribly run but why would the company dying and a monopoly being created be a better option than the possibility of steps being taken to fix what was wrong with WCW and continuing to have another option in the marketplace for workers and fans?
Anyone who thinks Vince buying WCW was a good thing is just a WWE dikkrider and not a wrestling fan.

Exactly... Who gives a shyt that it was terrible the last year, by now they might have turned it around, at that point they were grooming a lot of new stars.

We would atleast have a legit competitor that would keep the E on their toes

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Depends on how bad it gets

Rumor has it that they're about to make the product more "kid and mom friendly"

 

[Wacky D]

That was the worst part of WCW's demise. They clearly had better wrestlers and routinely had better matches, but as soon as they tried to copy WWF it was a wrap. It came off looking lame as fukk, especially when WCW's main event scene was at least a decade older than the WWF upper card.

lol. yep.

i always found it funny how wcw did business with master p, because no limit ended up killing their own buzz in a similar fashion at the same dam time. instead of doing answer records to cash money's hits, they shouldve just continued on in their lane, since they had a more-talented roster, just like wcw.

i mean, even the hot answer-records that they were doing, still came off as lame. nobody was clamoring to see their goonish rappers suddenly go overboard with materialistic rhymes. and yea, in the meantime, wcw was trying to pull off russo's storylines & promos with older wrestlers. that chit just didnt look right at all.

i think wcw didnt want to skale(sp?) back a bit and settle for being the high-powered wrestling promotion again.. they wanted it to continue to be all-or-nothing. the problem is, when the wwf catches fire, you cant dim their light in the mainstream because they benefit from brand-recognition. even today, look at all these comments in this thread where the posters are more concerned with the wwf being "forced to stay on their toes", rather than just being open to seeing another wrestling company achieve mainstream success. dudes is str8 brainwashed. thats why TNA have yet to get to where they should be, despite the fact that theyve been chitting on the wwe for the majority of the past 11 years.

 

[Prince Akeem]

lol. yep.

i always found it funny how wcw did business with master p, because no limit ended up killing their own buzz in a similar fashion at the same dam time. instead of doing answer records to cash money's hits, they shouldve just continued on in their lane, since they had a more-talented roster, just like wcw.

i mean, even the hot answer-records that they were doing, still came off as lame. nobody was clamoring to see their goonish rappers suddenly go overboard with materialistic rhymes. and yea, in the meantime, wcw was trying to pull off russo's storylines & promos with older wrestlers. that chit just didnt look right at all.

i think wcw didnt want to skale(sp?) back a bit and settle for being the high-powered wrestling promotion again.. they wanted it to continue to be all-or-nothing. the problem is, when the wwf catches fire, you cant dim their light in the mainstream because they benefit from brand-recognition. even today, look at all these comments in this thread where the posters are more concerned with the wwf being "forced to stay on their toes", whether than just being open to seeing another wrestling company achieve mainstream success. dudes is str8 brainwashed. thats why TNA have yet to get to where they should be, despite the fact that theyve been chitting on the wwe for the majority of the past 11 years.

 

[Reggie]

lol. yep.

i always found it funny how wcw did business with master p, because no limit ended up killing their own buzz in a similar fashion at the same dam time. instead of doing answer records to cash money's hits, they shouldve just continued on in their lane, since they had a more-talented roster, just like wcw.

i mean, even the hot answer-records that they were doing, still came off as lame. nobody was clamoring to see their goonish rappers suddenly go overboard with materialistic rhymes. and yea, in the meantime, wcw was trying to pull off russo's storylines & promos with older wrestlers. that chit just didnt look right at all.

i think wcw didnt want to skale(sp?) back a bit and settle for being the high-powered wrestling promotion again.. they wanted it to continue to be all-or-nothing. the problem is, when the wwf catches fire, you cant dim their light in the mainstream because they benefit from brand-recognition. even today, look at all these comments in this thread where the posters are more concerned with the wwf being "forced to stay on their toes", rather than just being open to seeing another wrestling company achieve mainstream success. dudes is str8 brainwashed. thats why TNA have yet to get to where they should be, despite the fact that theyve been chitting on the wwe for the majority of the past 11 years.

I said WWE didn't have any comp to "keep them on their toes" and its the truth. WCW was that rival that WWF/E always needed in order to have a decent product. With them being the only big show in town they can put out garbage and don't have to worry about anyone upstaging them. And obviously if WCW was still around it would have been because they were still a successful mainstream company. TNA is ok but it has never been on the level as a whole as WCW or WWE to be considered competiion. And most people look at them as second rate who recycle old wrestlers over and over again. Though I admit that some of their product has been good over the years. They just need to keep with it and cut away all the dead weight.