Vlad and Math Hoffa double down on hating FBA. Microphone Check movie wasn’t accurate to them.

[Ish Gibor]

I never said one word about reggae songs in a playlist. My dude, in post #48 I literally posted Cholly Rock name dropping the popular breakbeats in the early 70's. I seriously don't understand why you would bring up reggae after I posted that video. Makes no sense.

This is the playlist of the Ultimate Breaks and Beat. Listen and let it marinate. This is Black American music!!!



“Ultimate Breaks and Beats(also commonly abbreviated as UBB) was a series of 25 compilation albums released from 1986 to 1991 by Street Beat Records and edited by "BreakBeat Lou" Flores. Featured on the albums were funk, R&B, soul, jazz and rock tracks from the 1960s to 1980s that included influential drum breaks.”

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[Plankton]

You are just babbling at this point. As soon as you press play in the video I posted in post #48 Cholly Rock name drops the popular break beats of the early 70's and yes they are Black American. There's no need for you to bring up Black American music when Cholly Rock gives the exact names. Obviously you aren't paying attention to anything I'm saying.

 

[Ish Gibor]

You are just babbling at this point. As soon as you press play in the video I posted in post #48 Cholly Rock name drops the popular break beats of the early 70's and yes they are Black American. There's no need for you to bring up Black American music when Cholly Rock gives the exact names. Obviously you aren't paying attention to anything I'm saying.

Slow close to retarded individual.

You are babbling about some Jamaican in Harlem who played reggae songs.

I am addressing the Bronx and the music that B-Boy’s danced to. No B-Boy was dancing to reggae. What part of this can’t you comprehend, feeble mind?

Cholly Rock also gives the name of the person who was Herc’s right wing man, this person collected the records for Herc.

No MC was rapping to reggae!

Even this reggae label put a rap song on their label and it was on funk- disco, you looney tune.


A record label called Clappers did release some early rap songs on printed vinyl.

I do think Brother D's is one of the earliest conscious rappers with songs like Dib-Be-Dib-Be-Dize and How We Gonna Make the Black Nation Rise. The label itself is claiming to be the first. And apparently Dib-Be-Dib-Be-Dize was the first reggae rap crossover in 1980, so Run DMC, KRS and Just Ice.

Solid C., Bobby D.*, Kool Drop (2), Wackie's Disco Rock Band – Wack Rap (1979)

Solid C., Bobby D., Kool Drop, Wackie's Disco Rock Band - Wack Rap

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Willie Wood & Willie Wood Crew– Willie Rap (1979)

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Xanadu - Sure Shot (Jamaica, 1980, Joe Gibbs Music)

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Brother D's - How We Gonna Make the Black Nation Rise (1980)



Brother D's - Dib-Be-Dib-Be-Dize (1980)

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Sons Of Creation – Feeling Down A Yard / Revival (1982)

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[Plankton]

Slow close to retarded individual.

You are babbling about some Jamaican in Harlem who played reggae songs.

I am addressing the Bronx and the music that B-Boy’s danced to. No B-Boy was dancing to reggae. What part of this can’t you comprehend, feeble mind?

No MC was rapping to reggae!

Even this reggae label put a rap song on their label and it was on funk- disco, you looney tune.

I never said any of this.


Never once mentioned anything about a Jamaican from Harlem who played reggae music liar.

And Cholly Rock is a Black American from The Bronx not Harlem. You're trolling. Stop quoting me with trolling.

 

[Plankton]

This might be the most understated fact about Hip Hop nobody wants to talk about. DJs…black DJs did not want to play Hip Hop. Don Cornelius did not want it on Soul Train. A lot of us did not see any significance in Hip Hop and didn’t respect it. Those that did maybe had a Kurtis Blow record in their collection somewhere. There a lot of grandstanding about this being our music when a lot of us didn’t want it in the first place. Let’s just keep it real.

Exactly.

And the fact that, pretty much as far as I can remember, no one ever really gave a damn about late 60's/early 70's Hip Hop like that. Only ones who cared about that was hardcore Hip Hop heads. So when this wave that Tariq started with ethnicity being the top focus on late 60's/early 70's Hip Hop surfaces and you have a bunch of people just repeating the sentiment about what ethnicity created hip hop but they can't talk about anything else in the early/mid 70's that exposes just how fugazi those who want to harp on ethnicity really are.

 

[Ish Gibor]

I never said any of this.


Never once mentioned anything about a Jamaican from Harlem who played reggae music liar.

And Cholly Rock is a Black American from The Bronx not Harlem. You're trolling. Stop quoting me with trolling.

Exactly you never mention it, because it’s not relevant. But what did was post about a Dj of Jamaican descent who played reggae in Harlem.

Now get the fukk out of my face with your dumb gimmick bullshyt!

You are not able to provide a playlist that had to do with the music B-Boys listened and danced to.

The first division Black Spade B-Boys are in their ‘70s.



“In Jamaica Joe Gibbs released singles by the female rapper Xanadu such as »Sure Shot« (Joe Gibbs, 1980) and a cover of »Rapper's Delight« (Joe Gibbs, 1980) which where strictly hiphop style.

The electro/hiphop label Express itself released dub albums by Ranking Barnabas and Phil Pratt's Dial M For Murder In Dub Style. The early to mid 80's would also see the rising careers of several rappers of Jamaican descent such as KRS-One of Boogie Down Productions.”

Reggaepedia / Reggae and Hiphop

"Clappers is New York label that is primarily known for its reggae releases. But it has also attracted listeners due to some of their groundbreaking and controversial hiphop releases. The label is run by the Dub Organizer (b. Lister Hewan-Lowe 1952, Halfway Tree, Jamaica) a Jamaican who relocated to New York in 1972.

The first release on the label was the New York group Jah Mallas album Alive & Well. But also albums by General Plough, Jack Ruby, Aston »Familyman« Barrett, Jr. Dan, Nicodemus and others have been released. Yabby You's album on the label was supposedly a bootleg. Many of the labels releases are now sought after collectors albums.

The Clappers label is regarded to have released the first ever political hiphop song with Brother D's »How We Gonna Make The Black Nation Rise«. They also stirred up some controversy with the release of 2 Black 2 Strong/MMG's release of the EP Burn Baby Burn that depicted an American flag burning on the cover art work and also had the lyrics »fukk the red, white and blue« in it. Record stores refused to carry the EP."

Reggaepedia / Clappers

 

[Plankton]

Exactly you never mention it, because it’s not relevant. But what did was post about a Dj of Jamaican descent who played reggae in Harlem.

DJ King Charles is from Queens not Harlem and he gathered up the local DJs to play Black American music not reggae liar. You just quoted me to troll and say a bunch of made up lies.


What you should have done was stayed on topic instead of making up lies. The topic is Tariq Nasheed being innacurate about the origins of Hip Hop. You yourself just admitted that the origin is The Bronx but Tariq went on Vlad and implied it started in Brooklyn. So the thread title is accurate. I time stamped it for you.




My last response to you in this thread, I exposed you for being a liar so no more needs to be said.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Exactly.

And the fact that, pretty much as far as I can remember, no one ever really gave a damn about late 60's/early 70's Hip Hop like that. Only ones who cared about that was hardcore Hip Hop heads. So when this wave that Tariq started with ethnicity being the top focus on late 60's/early 70's Hip Hop surfaces and you have a bunch of people just repeating the sentiment about what ethnicity created hip hop but they can't talk about anything else in the early/mid 70's that exposes just how fugazi those who want to harp on ethnicity really are.

The one who cared was Black Spades because it was Black Spades culture in the Bronx.

 

[Ish Gibor]

I’m not interested in your portrait.

DJ King Charles is from Queens not Harlem and he gathered up the local DJs to play Black American music not reggae liar. You just quoted me to troll and say a bunch of made up lies.


What you should have done was stayed on topic instead of making up lies. The topic is Tariq Nasheed being innacurate about the origins of Hip Hop. You yourself just admitted that the origin is The Bronx but Tariq went on Vlad and implied it started in Brooklyn. So the thread title is accurate. I time stamped it for you.




My last response to you in this thread, I exposed you for being a liar so no more needs to be said.

Both instances are not relevant to the Bronx. KRS One with BPD called out MC Shan when Shan made The Bridge, which appeared to imply that Hip Hop was started in Queens. Shan correct rectified it and said that was is not what he meant by The Bridge.

B Boy initially meant Bronx Boy, and later became Break Boy. From there it became break dancing a dance style by Black Spades, which resembled Stepping. A Black American cultural element.

Even Pigmeat who lived in the Bronx, had roots in the Carolina.

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Loonie, why did nobody say anything in the 80s when records were made about the Bronx being the origin of Hip Hop? Why was the majority of MC’s from the Bronx?

The Home of Hip Hop · D.ST (1985)




[D.ST.]
“Just think, 1975
One whole decade has gone by
Of talented people performing for fun
To B-beat music is how it begun
From the start it's been an art
Of heart throb music that played a part
In this modern day and fast paced style
That all the people think is somewhat wild
But the average listener will never know
Modern music changes the status-quo
And like there was a spot for pop and rock
There'll always be a spot for hip hop
People despise it like it's terror
Today and tomorrow is the hip hop era
New Jack's trying to monopolize
Deceiving the public's eyes with lies
About they're the ones who started the show
Ask them about the old school they don't know
Big shots claim they're the founders of this
Promoting our talent in their business
Since we're really not in their interest
They're the one who's getting rich
From something we've done for our enjoyment
Corrupted into petty cash for employment
Once again trying to take what's ours
But not pushing us as far to sit amongst stars
That's alright, there's no sorrow
'Cause I know and you know there's still tomorrow
And like Infinity it goes on
'Cause the Bronx is the place hip hop was born

The Bronx is the home of hip hop
We don't care what anybody says
It's been avoided and exploited
But it will never be taken away
From the Bronx, the home of hip hop
You don't have to believe it's true
And if you don't agree, don't listen to me
Just look what it's done to you”


You got nerve to call anyone else a troll. lol

 

[DaHNIC82]

And Tariq look like a straight dumbass squashing it with Vlad

 

[K.O.N.Y]

The Founding Fathers documentary, which I already posted in this thread, speaks on Flowers and DJ Mario who are Black Americans not Jamacian. You just lied and made up some nonsense on my name.




Look at the names on the cover liar. I pointed out that the Jamaican King DJ Charles was also in the mix, which he was which confirms that it wasn't just Black Americans in the origin of Hip Hop. That's not me saying Jamaicans created it liar, that's me saying that yes, Jamacia was also in the mix during the origin. His name is right there on the cover. Don't lie on me and put words in my mouth.


If you don't like that fact, then go take it up with the ones who put the documentary together. Go call them liars. I'm just repeating what was in the documentary and it seems as if you have an issue with me pointing out that the myths you have accepted are wrong. But that's your problem not mine.




And I'm not Jamaican or West Indian. Stop it with the made up lies on my name.

Several questions

How do you use this documentary as a source while using cholly rock as a source, who clearly shyts on and discredits it. Like how are you using both at the same time

As far as king charles- What did he pioneer or bring to the table. Who is he o.g to? What influence or cultural stream did he start. Ive never heard any of the early pioneers mention him. What did he bring that was unique from jamaican culture

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Like I said, the Founding Fathers documentary is filled with the ones who were actually there. The Jamaican born DJ King Charles was in the mix. If you dislike it and think it's ignorance then your issue is with the ones who were actually there telling the truth.

Here is the documentary right here. I time stamped it for you. Notice how they speak highly of him. Tell the people who were actually there that it's stupidity and ignorance.

what makes this more credible than microphone check, which has a much better roster of folks who were foundational to hip hops creation

 

[Plankton]

Several questions

How do you use this documentary as a source while using cholly rock as a source, who clearly shyts on and discredits it. Like how are you using both at the same time

As far as king charles- What did he pioneer or bring to the table. Who is he o.g to? What influence or cultural stream did he start. Ive never heard any of the early pioneers mention him. What did he bring that was unique from jamaican culture

what makes this more credible than microphone check, which has a much better roster of folks who were foundational to hip hops creation

You aren't paying attention. The topic of the thread is Tariqs inaccuracy on Hip Hop history. Tariq had DJ Grand Master Flowers in his documentary but Cholly Rock says in that video that I posted in post #48 that Flowers jumped on the bandwagon all after the fact and wasn't doing Hip Hop in it's origin. So if Tariq is going to ignore Cholly Rock and add Flowers in his documentary anyway then he might as well add King Charles. But Tariq added Flowers and left out King Charles on purpose because he is Jamaican and it didn't fit Tariqs narrative of FBAs being the founders. So the thread title is correct.

 

[tuckgod]

A tether and a Jew walk into a bar

 

[tuckgod]

Don't care. Unimportant. One star.

Shut the fukk up.