Wagner Group Leader calls on Putin to declare end of war

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It's extremely difficult but I'd give them more of a chance of Russia at this stage of meeting their goals. Of course, Putin has the benefit of changing their goals if he so chooses - Ukraine has no choice but to retake Crimea.
What you think will happen first? Crimea gets taken or a small nuclear device in a brief case crosses the boarder from Belarus and detonates in Kyiv?

Losing Crimea and access to the Black Sea for trade/military use would be the end for Putin regime and this type of potential loss is why you have tactical nukes to begin with. It won’t happen. Plus before it got there Russia would concentrate its su-57s and everything else at that front. You talking about life or death for big vlad
 
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Not sure how we can say this is a Ukraine W if Russia has taken over a sizable portion of their country.

If China took over half the Eastern seaboard and was holding it, we wouldnt call it a USA W
 

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They got strategies for detonating a nuke without evidence that it came from them.
"Guys, that nuke that went off in the country we're at war with.....It wasn't us, promise! Send your investigators to the crime scene, you'll see
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"Guys, that nuke that went off in the country we're at war with.....It wasn't us, promise! Send your investigators to the crime scene, you'll see
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I don’t know why you putting past vlad if he’s put in a desperate position. He gambled all of his power with this invasion.

plausible deniability has been his modus operandi for years. They routinely murder oligarchs and detractors in foreign nations when it’s obvious they did and deny deny deny. Don’t assume it can’t go there.
 

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2014 annexation of Crimea:
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This all began as an internal Ukrainian crisis in November 2013, when President Viktor Yanukovych rejected a deal for greater integration with the European Union (here's why this was such a big deal), sparking mass protests, which Yanukovych attempted to put down violently. Russia backed Yanukovych in the crisis, while the US and Europe supported the protesters.

Since then, several big things have happened. In February, anti-government protests toppled the government and ran Yanukovych out of the country. Russia, trying to salvage its lost influence in Ukraine, invaded and annexed Crimea the next month. In April, pro-Russia separatist rebels began seizing territory in eastern Ukraine. The rebels shot down Malaysian Airlines flight 17 on July 17, killing 298 people, probably accidentally. Fighting between the rebels and the Ukrainian military intensified, the rebels started losing, and, in August, the Russian army overtly invaded eastern Ukraine to support the rebels. This has all brought the relationship between Russia and the West to its lowest point since the Cold War. Sanctions are pushing the Russian economy to the brink of recession, and more than 2,500 Ukrainians have been killed.

- Everything you need to know about the 2014 Ukraine crisis












2023 annexation of land rout to Crimea:

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Putin basically already achieved the "obvious" main goal ...well other than maintaining a guaranteed NATO buffer state via Ukraine
(regime change would be a cherry on top situation at most now)


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Ukraine can’t join NATO while at war with Russia

There’s a land bridge to Crimea

Eastern Ukraine is part of the Russian Federation
 
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