Wait, hold up. Why isn't Jason Campbell a starter in the league this year?

[Maschine_Man]

Bruh, I'm just saying, Alex Smith should not be starting, period. I don't care how much shyt he's been through. How does a player who has put up marginal numbers still start after 7 seasons? I can tell you Cambpell would have had a far shorter leash than Alex.

I also don't think you can write of Kaep just year.

You're right, there weren't better options on the team, but that was by design. Sing didn't want to ruin his confidence. They traded Hill and brought in Carr...just to protect poor old Alex Smith.

Cambpell and Alex Smith to me are in the same mold...how one is a backup and the other just signed a big multi-year contract as a starter is baffling to me.

they came in the league the same year, and have bascially put up similar stats.
but Alex smith is still 3 years younger than him and looks like he might actually be starting to put it together having his best season last year

his stock is (somewhat) rising, while Campbell looks like he may have already peaked in his career.

 

[mastermind]

I think they could have done the same with Campbell.

Also, Smith has been usurped by Shaun Hill, Troy Smith and JT OSullivan and was still retained as the starter....so no, I'm not so sure the dude would be backing up if things went south last year.

I said that in my post. The fact is Smith actually did it while we are speculating with Campbell.

and Alex Smith is a former #1 pick and white, he would have found a job as a back up this season if last season sucked for him. Rex Grossman is still in the NFL.

 

[JLova]

they came in the league the same year, and have bascially put up similar stats.
but Alex smith is still 3 years younger than him and looks like he might actually be starting to put it together having his best season last year

his stock is (somewhat) rising, while Campbell looks like he may have already peaked in his career.

Campbell will never get the opportunity to play on a squad like the 9ers with a HC like Harbaugh. Alex Smith is not a good QB...he's just lucky as hell he has Harbaugh as his coach.

I agree that Smith is in his position by circumstance...it's just odd that dudes like him are starting while Campbell is fighting for a 2nd string job and got passed up for Carson Palmer who's actually older so there goes the whole age argument.

 

[feelosofer]

I think they could have done the same with Campbell.

Also, Smith has been usurped by Shaun Hill, Troy Smith and JT OSullivan and was still retained as the starter....so no, I'm not so sure the dude would be backing up if things went south last year.

He wasn't usurped, one step in when Alex got hurt and the other two were just poor decisions by poor coaches, and I can assure you if Jason Campell were our QB we weren't sniffing 13-3, the Raiders are close in talent to San Fran, have arguably better receivers and were mayby going to finish 9-7, 10-6 tops. Now there are extenuating circumstances, none of which have worked in Campells favor, but unfortunately at this point in his career, his starting days are over.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Campbell will never get the opportunity to play on a squad like the 9ers with a HC like Harbaugh. Alex Smith is not a good QB...he's just lucky as hell he has Harbaugh as his coach.

I agree that Smith is in his position by circumstance...it's just odd that dudes like him are starting while Campbell is fighting for a 2nd string job and got passed up for Carson Palmer who's actually older so there goes the whole age argument.

yeah but Carson palmers career numbers are twice as good as Campbell's

Peyton Manning is older too, but there comes a point where better matters

if you have two players that are similar, chances are you go with the younger guy because he will give you more time and may actually have a chance to get better


Maybe the fact that Alex Smith was on a HORRIBLE 49ers team and went through 3 coaches BEFORE Harbaugh even got there, is also a recent his progress wasn't very good, not to mention the talent they had wasn't very good

at least in Washington Campbell had some pro bowlers on offense around him

Where were Alex Smith's pro Bowlers?? one MAYBE two?? (Frank Gore)

Campbell has had Portis, Sellers, Cooley, Moss, plus 3-4 Olinemen

 

[mastermind]

Campbell has had Portis, Sellers, Cooley, Moss, plus 3-4 Olinemen

this is the other thing about the Save-A-Jason Campbell thing. He had talent around him. Todd Collins came in and lead the team to the playoffs and had the offense flying much more than Campbell had ever done. Todd Collins.

Dude was never meant to be a good NFL starting QB.

 

[JLova]

He wasn't usurped, one step in when Alex got hurt and the other two were just poor decisions by poor coaches, and I can assure you if Jason Campell were our QB we weren't sniffing 13-3, the Raiders are close in talent to San Fran, have arguably better receivers and were mayby going to finish 9-7, 10-6 tops. Now there are extenuating circumstances, none of which have worked in Campells favor, but unfortunately at this point in his career, his starting days are over.

JT O'sullivan was handpicked by Martz over Smith and Hill. In TC before Smith got injured, he was the worst out of the 3. He then LOST his job to Hill. How was that a bad decision when HIll was clearly better? The Troy thing..I mean the team was 0-6 with Alex...and then won 3 games with Troy.

JC is a game manager as is Alex. Campbell has a better arm, though. Pretty sure Campbell would register 17 TD's. He probably would have thrown more picks but also would have thrown for more yardage. Anyways...apparently No QB could have done what Alex Smith did last year

 

[Maschine_Man]

JT O'sullivan was handpicked by Martz over Smith and Hill. In TC before Smith got injured, he was the worst out of the 3. He then LOST his job to Hill. How was that a bad decision when HIll was clearly better? The Troy thing..I mean the team was 0-6 with Alex...and then won 3 games with Troy.

JC is a game manager as is Alex. Campbell has a better arm, though. Pretty sure Campbell would register 17 TD's. He probably would have thrown more picks but also would have thrown for more yardage. Anyways...apparently No QB could have done what Alex Smith did last year

Campbell has shown that even with good coaches around him, and good players around him that he was NO BETTER than an average qb

Alex Smith NEVER had the talent or coaching around him that Campbell had before Harbaugh

 

[JLova]

yeah but Carson palmers career numbers are twice as good as Campbell's

Peyton Manning is older too, but there comes a point where better matters

if you have two players that are similar, chances are you go with the younger guy because he will give you more time and may actually have a chance to get better


Maybe the fact that Alex Smith was on a HORRIBLE 49ers team and went through 3 coaches BEFORE Harbaugh even got there, is also a recent his progress wasn't very good, not to mention the talent they had wasn't very good

at least in Washington Campbell had some pro bowlers on offense around him

Where were Alex Smith's pro Bowlers?? one MAYBE two?? (Frank Gore)

Campbell has had Portis, Sellers, Cooley, Moss, plus 3-4 Olinemen

Eh...it evens out. Campbell had to play in the tough NFC East while Alex played in the weak NFC West. He also had higher expectations (playoffs or bust).

Smith DID have Gore and Vernon. And if you;re going to list Cooley () and (please take me out the game coach) Moss, then I'll name Antonio Bryant as well. Not to mention having he opportunity to play under Norv Turner.

Regardless, neither QB is good. I just don't quite understand why you and others are trying so hard to tell me that Alex Smith is anything more than average at best. I didn't need to see Tim Couch or Cade McNoun with a competent supporting cast to know they were not good.

 

[JLova]

Campbell has shown that even with good coaches around him, and good players around him that he was NO BETTER than an average qb

Alex Smith NEVER had the talent or coaching around him that Campbell had before Harbaugh

Campbell has had a new OC every year....where are his excuses?

Bryant/Crabtree,VD,Gore in the weak NFC West >>> Cooley, Moss, Portis in the tough NFC East.

Campbell had a better line, but since when has that really been an excuse. I can go to the Kolb thread and read how he's the worst QB ever behind probably the worst line in the league.

Both QB's are marginal. You're propping up one of them.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Eh...it evens out. Campbell had to play in the tough NFC East and had while Alex played in the weak NFC West. He also had higher expectations (playoffs or bust).

Smith DID have Gore and Vernon. And if you;re going to list Cooley () and (please take me out the game coach) Moss, then I'll name Antonio Bryant as well. Not to mention having he opportunity to play under Norv Turner.

Regardless, neither QB is good. I just don't quite understand why you and others are trying so hard to tell me that Alex Smith is anything more than average at best. I didn't need to see Tim Couch or Cade McNoun with a competent supporting cast to know they were not good.

No, I'm telling you that Campbell is not in a better position right now to be the starter over Alex Smith.

Y'all dudes are saying that Campbell should be a starter in this league and have yet to show me WHERE he could actually start.

despite how much you HOPE, or WISH, or THINK Campbell could have lead the 49ers to the record they had last year, Alex Smith actually DID it.

So WHY in the world would they cut Smith, someone that they KNOW can be a decent game manager and get the team to a 13-3 record for someone like Campbell who has never proven to be any better than Smith or lead his teams to decent records, ALL this while being OLDER than smith


I swear, some of you guys just like to talk and talk without actually thinking about what you even write. Y'all get so emotional over this shyt that you fail to look at logic or reality and just start yapping away



Next time maybe you guys can take the extra 30 seconds before you jump to hit that "quote" button and actually do a quick google search or something before you get all riled up and jump on your soapboxes.

 

[feelosofer]

JT O'sullivan was handpicked by Martz over Smith and Hill. In TC before Smith got injured, he was the worst out of the 3. He then LOST his job to Hill. How was that a bad decision when HIll was clearly better? The Troy thing..I mean the team was 0-6 with Alex...and then won 3 games with Troy.

JC is a game manager as is Alex. Campbell has a better arm, though. Pretty sure Campbell would register 17 TD's. He probably would have thrown more picks but also would have thrown for more yardage. Anyways...apparently No QB could have done what Alex Smith did last year

J.T 'Just Turnovers' O'Sullivan, really? He was never better than Alex Smith, like I said poor decision. But I'll concede to Shaun Hill, but even then in extended play, it was shown that while he made better decisions than Alex Smith, he had a weaker arm and virtually no athleticism.

Again throwing for more yardage is pointless if you throw more picks and even in JC's best season he threw for 500 more yards, not nearly enough to justify the 10 more INTs, he threw. Put it like this if JC were our QB we would have lost the Lions, the Seahawks and we likely wouldn't have even beat the Giants in the regular season we'd be lucky to be 10-6 fighting for a Wild Card. Under the Harbaugh offense I'll take heat pump efficiency over a stronger arm. I well say this the upcoming season will etch Alex's legacy in stone, was he a mismanaged #1 draft or will he forever be a marginal starter/backup.

 

[JLova]

No, I'm telling you that Campbell is not in a better position right now to be the starter over Alex Smith.

Y'all dudes are saying that Campbell should be a starter in this league and have yet to show me WHERE he could actually start.

despite how much you HOPE, or WISH, or THINK Campbell could have lead the 49ers to the record they had last year, Alex Smith actually DID it.

So WHY in the world would they cut Smith, someone that they KNOW can be a decent game manager and get the team to a 13-3 record for someone like Campbell who has never proven to be any better than Smith or lead his teams to decent records, ALL this while being OLDER than smith


I swear, some of you guys just like to talk and talk without actually thinking about what you even write. Y'all get so emotional over this shyt that you fail to look at logic or reality and just start yapping away



Next time maybe you guys can take the extra 30 seconds before you jump to hit that "quote" button and actually do a quick google search or something before you get all riled up and jump on your soapboxes.

Again, I never said he was in a better position. He has not been coddled like Smith, nor has he had the same circumstances. All I'm saying is Cambpell can start in this league over some QB's...one of which is Alex Smith. However, it's not like SF is going to dump Alex for him. Typical of a poster taking one part of someone's response and using that as the basis of their argument...annoying.

 

[HHR]

On any other team, Alex Smith is long gone......but for whatever reason, he's stuck around in SF. It's an incredibly unique situation that probably shouldn't be compared to that of any other below-average QB.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Again, I never said he was in a better position. He has not been coddled like Smith, nor has he had the same circumstances. All I'm saying is Cambpell can start in this league over some QB's...one of which is Alex Smith. However, it's not like SF is going to dump Alex for him. Typical of a poster taking one part of someone's response and using that as the basis of their argument...annoying.

Jason Campbell could probably start over Fez in NY and if I had to choose I'd take Campbell, but the marginal improvement at QB probably wouldn't be enough to make me feel comfortable at QB anyway, and that's the position Jason Campbell is in with the league. The improvement from any random QB to him isn't so wide that it's worth investing into him.