Wait, so Summerslam is next weekend? :mjlol:

[Kidd Dibiase]

man this lack of a tag team match, or the random tag team match that's gonna happen is a real downer. Its like Vince saw the reaction at BattleGround with the Wyatts/Uso's stealing the show and saying "nope can't have the tag match being a highlight of the ppv again"

never understood this logic that EVERY match can't be good, his purpose of splitting the brands was because he wanted to see competition. Why not naturally build competition throughout the roster, lets see who steals the show tonight.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

I feel you but for me personally after watching that video package I just couldn't buy into either of them. The heart and the passion wasn't there for me. Brock says all the right things but he doesn't deliver it with any real conviction. And Cena came off so unphased and so lackadaisical that I couldn't buy into him either.

There aren't any real emotions fueling this thing. Just words.

Yeah that's unfortunately what we get these days when we don't actually get real interaction with some of these feuds. If that video package was put together for the Summerslam pre show after 2 or 3 weeks of dudes brawling or being seperated(Hell even a contract signing) the shyt would come off better in the long run.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Yeah that's unfortunately what we get these days when we don't actually get real interaction with some of these feuds. If that video package was put together for the Summerslam pre show after 2 or 3 weeks of dudes brawling or being seperated(Hell even a contract signing) the shyt would come off better in the long run.

I'm an old school guy when it comes to build up. I say keep your hands OFF each other until the match.

But shyt they haven't even stood in the same frame yet.

A staredown or some shyt wouldn't hurt.

 

[TrueEpic08]

I feel you but for me personally after watching that video package I just couldn't buy into either of them. The heart and the passion wasn't there for me. Brock says all the right things but he doesn't deliver it with any real conviction. And Cena came off so unphased and so lackadaisical that I couldn't buy into him either.

There aren't any real emotions fueling this thing. Just words.

I wish that the (shyt) announcers would portray Brock's lack of emotion as what it really is: resolute confidence. There's no reason for Brock to scream and bluster about the match because he absolutely knows that he can not only beat Cena, but demolish him. He's beaten better, and in different arenas to boot. Why should he scream if that's the case? I like Brock's delivery but add some intrigue for the people.

@Kidd Dibiase makes a good point when he says that what they've been doing for the last 2 months or so has been building to this very pay-per-view. It's been a technically good build. Key word there being technically. What the lack of interest in most of the card exposes is something WWE's been struggling with for ages. And that's creating plausible stakes for the feuds that people can believe in.

Despite my critique above, what Lesnar, Heyman and Cena have done a good job of is creating legitimate stakes for the match that people can believe in. Brock's the unstoppable force that ended the insurmountable streak. Cena's the immovable cornerstone of the WWE. Lesnar's said that he won't stop with simply taking Cena's title away, but is going to break Cena himself. Will Brock follow through on his promise? Will Cena be able to stop this unstoppable force? It's all very simple, and very well done.

But where are these stakes for most of the rest of these matches? Of all the matches on the card, only Swagger/Rusev really feels like it has any stakes to it. And even that feels very paint by numbers. Everything else either feels routine and paint-by-numbers (Ziggler/Miz or Jericho/Wyatt, for example) or like it's only meant to progress the feud to it's next stage (Rollins/Ambrose). So why should we want to watch the rest of the card if the rest of the card doesn't feel like it has important stakes?

People want to believe that winning and losing matters. Everyone in the world knows it's staged, yet they still want to suspend disbelief and believe that their guy winning is an important moment when it happens. It's a simple concept that can be easily gathered from just sitting in a crowd and talking to a random stranger about the show for a bit. And yet WWE clearly doesn't seem to really understand how this works. It's mindboggling, really.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

I'm an old school guy when it comes to build up. I say keep your hands OFF each other until the match.

But shyt they haven't even stood in the same frame yet.

A staredown or some shyt wouldn't hurt.

I like to see feuds where dudes are getting jumped and shyt. Feuds with clear cut faces/heels doing thier things. One of my favorite builds was Savage/NWO, dude went after them in their hotel room


But hell any types of feuds are better than the feuds we get these days. It really is just matches being booked, with no reason to see these guys fight.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

I wish that the (shyt) announcers would portray Brock's lack of emotion as what it really is: resolute confidence. There's no reason for Brock to scream and bluster about the match because he absolutely knows that he can not only beat Cena, but demolish him. He's beaten better, and in different arenas to boot. Why should he scream if that's the case? I like Brock's delivery but add some intrigue for the people.

@Kidd Dibiase makes a good point when he says that what they've been doing for the last 2 months or so has been building to this very pay-per-view. It's been a technically good build. Key word there being technically. What the lack of interest in most of the card exposes is something WWE's been struggling with for ages. And that's creating plausible stakes for the feuds that people can believe in.

Despite my critique above, what Lesnar, Heyman and Cena have done a good job of is creating legitimate stakes for the match that people can believe in. Brock's the unstoppable force that ended the insurmountable streak. Cena's the immovable cornerstone of the WWE. Lesnar's said that he won't stop with simply taking Cena's title away, but is going to break Cena himself. Will Brock follow through on his promise? Will Cena be able to stop this unstoppable force? It's all very simple, and very well done.

But where are these stakes for most of the rest of these matches? Of all the matches on the card, only Swagger/Rusev really feels like it has any stakes to it. And even that feels very paint by numbers. Everything else either feels routine and paint-by-numbers (Ziggler/Miz or Jericho/Wyatt, for example) or like it's only meant to progress the feud to it's next stage (Rollins/Ambrose). So why should we want to watch the rest of the card if the rest of the card doesn't feel like it has important stakes?

People want to believe that winning and losing matters. Everyone in the world knows it's staged, yet they still want to suspend disbelief and believe that their guy winning is an important moment when it happens. It's a simple concept that can be easily gathered from just sitting in a crowd and talking to a random stranger about the show for a bit. And yet WWE clearly doesn't seem to really understand how this works. It's mindboggling, really.

Hell of a post right here, y'all need to dap this man

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

AJ vs Paige should be a submission match

 

[Lord Beasley]

I actually wanna see that steph brie match (:snoope: )

ambrose rollins will be good too

swagger rusv doesn't need to be a match. swag is already insanely over, he should be gettin' jumped by cesyssero

AJ vs Paige should be a submission match

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

man this lack of a tag team match, or the random tag team match that's gonna happen is a real downer. Its like Vince saw the reaction at BattleGround with the Wyatts/Uso's stealing the show and saying "nope can't have the tag match being a highlight of the ppv again"

never understood this logic that EVERY match can't be good, his purpose of splitting the brands was because he wanted to see competition. Why not naturally build competition throughout the roster, lets see who steals the show tonight.

Cant do it because the guy on top isnt very good and he must be protected. Vince feels that if everyone goes out there and kills it every night it only highlights the absurdity of Cena being mediocre at best. And he's right. So everything must be dumbed down to compensate. WWE logic.

 

[jadillac]

And not for nothing A Lot has been built into this

Jericho/Wyatt
Aj/Paige
Lesnar/Cena
Rollins/Ambrose
Brie/Steph
Ziggler/Miz
Reigns/Orton
Swagger/Rusev


Even though last weeks Raw was a troll fest, look at the entire card you cannot say this hasnt been built, hell its best progression leading into a ppv all year

okay, but the problem here is, we saw:

Swagger/Rusev at the last ppv,
we saw AJ/Paige at the last ppv(if i recall),
we saw Bray/Jericho at the last ppv,
more or less we saw Ambrose/Rollins at the last ppv

 

[MenacingMonk]

Besides Ambrose/Seth (even with it's shytty stip), there's nothing on this card that is actually worth me going, but I'll be there since it's an annual thing. Been to the past 3; hopefully make it 4.

 

[R=G]

Lesnar beating Cena, the female matches, and Lana are the cornerstones of this ppv.