Heavy_Handz
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I just mean he doesn’t have a standout voice.in an era where everyone sounds like thugga and future clones, Wale is as distinctive as they come.
I just mean he doesn’t have a standout voice.in an era where everyone sounds like thugga and future clones, Wale is as distinctive as they come.
No he’s not.in an era where everyone sounds like thugga and future clones, Wale is as distinctive as they come.
He should of stayed with the hypebeast/sneaker head shyt.What was left for Wale?
He should of stayed with the hypebeast/sneaker head shyt.
Wale was too jack of all trades sad to say. He could do anything but never found a niche or gimmick that stuck
JCole got the fake deep humble homeless gimmick
Drake got simp soliloquy fake tough guy gimmick
Cudi got the complete weirdo harmonizer gimmick
Kendrick got the super rapper mysterious gimmick
Meek got the street dude gimmick
What was left for Wale?
He didShould’ve firmly leaned into the Bad/Lotus Flower Bomb/That Way type music, basically positively spotlighting black women/black love.
Should’ve firmly leaned into the Bad/Lotus Flower Bomb/That Way type music, basically positively spotlighting black women/black love.
The Manipulation
CC White
Bricks
Barry Sanders
Razor Freestyle
Eye of the Tiger
The Bloom
The Body
3 Days 3 Hours
Chess
And many others....
goin off what you showed me, he really doesnt. nor is he a better lyricist. hes more willing to carry a whole lyrical theme than cole thru a song or base a whole song off a theme. But doing that does not mean your the better lyricistWale isn't Lupe because no one is, but Wale is a superior lyricist to Cole by a sizeable gap and has a wider creative pallet by a sizeable gap.
those are 3 things that are def factors, but they are not the end all be all to cover someone's ass when they are outdone at everything else. Cole is better at flow, delievery, voice, cadence, songwritingCole has a better voice and delivery and enunciation. He has improved a great deal in recent years and has advantages over Wale, but where ya'll lose me is when I'm hearing stuff like Cole is way better or it's not even a conversation. I find that absurd as lyricism, creativity, and concepts are aspects of rapping that are hugely important to people who appreciate the art form of rapping.
kinda like you ovverating Wale, and his basic ass allegorical concept rapsCole's fanbase overrated his lyrical abilities(specifically pre-Offseason) because they're comparing him to mainstream radio giants. It's the equivalent of being the big fish in a little pond. Offseason is the first time I've heard him truly come into his potential as a rapper.
these concepts have been seen before especially CC white, that shyt has been run down to the ground of comparing cocain to a White women, we have a whole slang for it
Barry sanders is a old run down concept used by rappers to, making a whole song using sport references has also been done before, i recall Kendrick having a song like it on his Training Day mixtape. years before that Barry song came out.
The manipulation is your basic, playa/ smash and dash type of song. Just because he put a fancy title on it caliling it " The _______" doesnt make it anymore high concept of a song than what Cole has done.
Razor is just a WWE verison of the "All sports references to show how lyrical i am" type of song nikkas do
Eye of the tiger is basically just a Wale's version of "Kevins Haryt" which Cole has done.
The Bloom is your typical metaphoric poem comparing women to flowers, which is cliche and has been used in poetry/rap forever. whether slightly touched in a few bars or in a whole song
Chess is pretty cooli always liked that track espescially that Ray/reagan line
goin off what you showed me, he really doesnt. nor is he a better lyricist. hes more willing to carry a whole lyrical theme than cole thru a song or base a whole song off a theme. But doing that does not mean your the better lyricist
Plus alot of those concepts like CC white, Barry sanders, have been reused and have been covered over already by others
those are 3 things that are def factors, but they are not the end all be all to cover someone's ass when they are outdone at everything else. Cole is better at flow, delievery, voice, cadence, songwriting
and creativity and concepts fall more in align with artistry not rapping, you can be dope at rapping and not be a good concept type of artist(Lil wayne, Jay Z)
And concepts dont mean shyt if they are not well executed right, so even if you have a concept, Who fukkin cares if it falls flat on its face and doesnt make for enjoyable music(which is the fukkin point of all this)
even tho im defending Cole, i found KOD initially somewhat subpar even tho it had what you can call a "creative" concept, i didnt like it much. it has grown on me a little tho.
kinda like you ovverating Wale, and his basic ass allegorical concept raps
"OH my god he made a song comparing cocaine to a white girl"
"who would have thought of doin that?"
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Maybe a public relationship with a celebrity?Wale was too jack of all trades sad to say. He could do anything but never found a niche or gimmick that stuck
JCole got the fake deep humble homeless gimmick
Drake got simp soliloquy fake tough guy gimmick
Cudi got the complete weirdo harmonizer gimmick
Kendrick got the super rapper mysterious gimmick
Meek got the street dude gimmick
What was left for Wale?
That’s what Big Sean hadMaybe a public relationship with a celebrity?
IDK
Straight up disrespected Juicy J![]()