Wale - Groundhog's Day (J. Cole response)

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Favorite wale song ever but I'm more about the skill than anything than the fluff

Skills equal better MC to me

when your able to use your skills and make great songs thats a mc to me


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Yeah Wale is very skilled

I think his only flaw is his delievery. As @NoHalfWay said
 

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This is one of Wale's best tracks he's ever made.
The rap game has always been about bragging/narcissism.
But Wale displayed a rare trait today...

Vulnerability.
Which is actually HARDER and takes MORE confidence to do than to be defensive/hide/divert attention away/blame/deny. Hence why he gets the props.
 

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This is one of Wale's best tracks he's ever made.
The rap game has always been about bragging/narcissism.
But Wale displayed a rare trait today...

Vulnerability.
Which is actually HARDER and takes MORE confidence to do than to be defensive/hide/divert attention away/blame/deny. Hence why he gets the props.

ummmm..

Joe Budden says hi... :dahell:
 

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Have no clue what is going on here...they were beefing, but not really beefing, now they chillin at a basketball.....ok I guess thats one way to have rap beef....:lupe:

Edit: Nevermind I caught up. "False Prophets". 2nd time heard Freddie Joachim "Waves" track being used by well known rapper. Joey Badass did it before.

All the regulars in the thread in my signature know about Freddie Joachim and all the other greatness in that thread




Would love to hear more rappers flow over some of these talented underrated producers' tracks.
 
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You wild if you don't think Wale is outright better than Drake.

Drake who doesn't even write his own raps? Really breh?

Wale would crush Drake in every aspect, aside from the hitters ear. But even then, who knows?

IT's probably Wale and his two, vs Drake and his fourteen.

Son I hope u not sayin Drake is better than actual rappers like Wale and Cole. If u wanna be ALL the way honest he don't even got better albums or mixtapes then them nikkas. Wale,Cole,and Kendrick >>>>>>>Drake.

@StillNotSoft You really think Meek is a better rapper than Wale?

Im talking ghostwriting aside:whoa:?if yall gon disregard the idea of his writing completley,yall gotta stop bringing him up:pachaha:....im talking ghostwriting aside,obviously he wouldnt have the credibility of the others,then again how much credibility do they all have,only Meek put his foot on Drakes neck:blessed:

Most of his peers dont mind him using steroids and cheating,so why wouldnt i judge him against them:sas1:

Yes Meek is better is an emcee,didnt think this was even a question....Meek has lyrics,flowvoice,delivery,Meek can make you feel whatever emotion he wants you to on a track....its harder to do what Wale does as he has more substance,but Meek might be giving us more of that now.

J Cole is the worst as far as being the total package,then Wale follows him....Meek has the lyrics,the hunger,the pain,slick talk,the bravado....Kendrick is the most lyrical,best storyteller,can give you the pain as well,very poetic....Drake(ghostwriting aside) has the delivery,flow,slick talk,definitley the most witty and clever out of the mainstream crop,the bravado....Wale is witty but can sometimes come off as trying too hard to be witty or showing wordplay....doesnt have the slick talk or ability to "talk that shyt"...doesnt have a dope voice or delivery,alotta unnecessary voice inflections he thinks is going to make him sound better:pachaha:

Wale need to give that slick talk,fly rapper lane a rest and stop trying,i dont care how flynhe thinks he is in real life...in the booth he cant convey it,so cut it out.

His strength would be his concepts,his substance,his poeticness...he need to strengthen those parts of his game and get some beats better suited for him to get off....this song was a good example.


Everybody else plays up,and focuses on they strengths but Wale,guess J Cole was right:francis:
 

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Im talking ghostwriting aside:whoa:?if yall gon disregard the idea of his writing completley,yall gotta stop bringing him up:pachaha:....im talking ghostwriting aside,obviously he wouldnt have the credibility of the others,then again how much credibility do they all have,only Meek put his foot on Drakes neck:blessed:

Most of his peers dont mind him using steroids and cheating,so why wouldnt i judge him against them:sas1:

Yes Meek is better is an emcee,didnt think this was even a question....Meek has lyrics,flowvoice,delivery,Meek can make you feel whatever emotion he wants you to on a track....its harder to do what Wale does as he has more substance,but Meek might be giving us more of that now.

J Cole is the worst as far as being the total package,then Wale follows him....Meek has the lyrics,the hunger,the pain,slick talk,the bravado....Kendrick is the most lyrical,best storyteller,can give you the pain as well,very poetic....Drake(ghostwriting aside) has the delivery,flow,slick talk,definitley the most witty and clever out of the mainstream crop,the bravado....Wale is witty but can sometimes come off as trying too hard to be witty or showing wordplay....doesnt have the slick talk or ability to "talk that shyt"...doesnt have a dope voice or delivery,alotta unnecessary voice inflections he thinks is going to make him sound better:pachaha:

Wale need to give that slick talk,fly rapper lane a rest and stop trying,i dont care how flynhe thinks he is in real life...in the booth he cant convey it,so cut it out.

His strength would be his concepts,his substance,his poeticness...he need to strengthen those parts of his game and get some beats better suited for him to get off....this song was a good example.


Everybody else plays up,and focuses on they strengths but Wale,guess J Cole was right:francis:
But Drake isnt witty. clever or has the brovado cause he ain't writing that shyt. Just performing. How u witty just performing someone else shyt? U have to write the wittyness. Write the brovado. And write the clever lines. He does none of that. Ain't no damn way in hell I'm putting him next to actual lyricist. That's just stupid and completely unfair. On top of that. As an emcee. Lyrically. Meek ain't fukkin wit Cole. Kendrick. or Wale. And I been fukkin wit Meek since he was a bummy nikka. He ain't got the lyrical capacity them other nikka's got. How is J Cole the worst of the 3 when it comes to whole package when he's actually the most well rounded? The nikka writes. performs and produces HITS fam. All by himself. This is from an objective standpoint. This ain't about favorite artists. If we actually being fair here. Ur assessment is off base.
 

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U know some of these nikkas only listen to artists that the in-crowd talk bout. Lol at mentioning vulnerability like it's some rare shyt
That's the coli for ya.. nikkas can't just be fans they have to dikkride to the extreme

Wale is not that great.. that's why his career is where it's at
 

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I heard it,just not sure how you came to this conclusion:patrice:
halway said Wale is better lyrically than cole, I took it further saying he better than Kendrick and drake to lyrcially if thats what your asking.

plus its not complicated to see, drake , cole, and Kendrick are all average to just above lyricist, Kendrick is probably the only one with some notable strenghts in that realm out of those three and its only in Multi and alliteration.

in similes, metaphors and wordplay Wale is better and overall better than those three.
 

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But Drake isnt witty. clever or has the brovado cause he ain't writing that shyt. Just performing. How u witty just performing someone else shyt? U have to write the wittyness. Write the brovado. And write the clever lines. He does none of that. Ain't no damn way in hell I'm putting him next to actual lyricist. That's just stupid and completely unfair. On top of that. As an emcee. Lyrically. Meek ain't fukkin wit Cole. Kendrick. or Wale. And I been fukkin wit Meek since he was a bummy nikka. He ain't got the lyrical capacity them other nikka's got. How is J Cole the worst of the 3 when it comes to whole package when he's actually the most well rounded? The nikka writes. performs and produces HITS fam. All by himself. This is from an objective standpoint. This ain't about favorite artists. If we actually being fair here. Ur assessment is off base.

I cant even think of no J Cole hits,i cant even think of any J Cole quotables.

Im talking total package as a rapper,i dont give a damn about those mediocre to servicable beats he produces for himself.....as an all around emcee,J Cole aint really on shyt....weak voice,weak delivery,average space filler bars....Dude is not a wordsmith at all,he puts his bars together in the most pedestrian of ways possible:mjcry:


Youll never hear a Cole bar and think "ive never quite heard that,put that way before:jbhmm:"...you more likely to think "i couldve said that better myself:scust:"

Hes not a natural,hes about as generic as a writer as you can get,theres no plot twist coming in a J cole bar.

Took me a lomg time to come up with the word to describe it,if it feels like im rambling,but now i got it.

Formulaic:blessed:
 

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I cant even think of no J Cole hits,i cant even think of any J Cole quotables.

Im talking total package as a rapper,i dont give a damn about those mediocre to servicable beats he produces for himself.....as an all around emcee,J Cole aint really on shyt....weak voice,weak delivery,average space filler bars....Dude is not a wordsmith at all,he puts his bars together in the most pedestrian of ways possible:mjcry:


Youll never hear a Cole bar and think "ive never quite heard that,put that way before:jbhmm:"...you more likely to think "i couldve said that better myself:scust:"

Hes not a natural,hes about as generic as a writer as you can get,theres no plot twist coming in a J cole bar.

Took me a lomg time to come up with the word to describe it,if it feels like im rambling,but now i got it.

Formulaic:blessed:
:dwillhuh: U cant think of any J Cole hits bruh? U serious? And son u tellin me u ain't feelin this shyt? As a Pac fan I would expect u too.





 
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Im talking ghostwriting aside:whoa:?if yall gon disregard the idea of his writing completley,yall gotta stop bringing him up:pachaha:....im talking ghostwriting aside,obviously he wouldnt have the credibility of the others,then again how much credibility do they all have,only Meek put his foot on Drakes neck:blessed:

Most of his peers dont mind him using steroids and cheating,so why wouldnt i judge him against them:sas1:

Yes Meek is better is an emcee,didnt think this was even a question....Meek has lyrics,flowvoice,delivery,Meek can make you feel whatever emotion he wants you to on a track....its harder to do what Wale does as he has more substance,but Meek might be giving us more of that now.

J Cole is the worst as far as being the total package,then Wale follows him....Meek has the lyrics,the hunger,the pain,slick talk,the bravado....Kendrick is the most lyrical,best storyteller,can give you the pain as well,very poetic....Drake(ghostwriting aside) has the delivery,flow,slick talk,definitley the most witty and clever out of the mainstream crop,the bravado....Wale is witty but can sometimes come off as trying too hard to be witty or showing wordplay....doesnt have the slick talk or ability to "talk that shyt"...doesnt have a dope voice or delivery,alotta unnecessary voice inflections he thinks is going to make him sound better:pachaha:

Wale need to give that slick talk,fly rapper lane a rest and stop trying,i dont care how flynhe thinks he is in real life...in the booth he cant convey it,so cut it out.

His strength would be his concepts,his substance,his poeticness...he need to strengthen those parts of his game and get some beats better suited for him to get off....this song was a good example.


Everybody else plays up,and focuses on they strengths but Wale,guess J Cole was right:francis:


Ain't no such thing as "Ghostwriting aside" breh. The nikka ain't putting in the work that the others are then he don't belong in their league. He belongs in the Miley Cyrus/Katy Perry/Justin Bieber "entertainer" bracket but comparing him to REAL MC's is an insult to the craft
 
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