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Want Educated Immigrants? Let In More Africans

Highly skilled? Check. Hardworking? Check. English-speaking? Check. Ready to integrate? Check.


The uproar over White House Chief of Staff John Kelly’s comments about illegal immigration in an interview with National Public Radio last week still hasn’t entirely died down. I haven’t found the resulting discussion to be super-enlightening, so, as I did with an earlier Kelly comment about how nobody knows anybody in the military anymore, I decided to see if a few charts might clear things up.

To review, Kelly argued that most undocumented immigrants are “not people that would easily assimilate into the United States, into our modern society.” He went on:

They're overwhelmingly rural people in the countries they come from — fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are kind of the norm. They don't speak English, obviously that's a big thing. They don't speak English. They don't integrate well, they don't have skills. They're not bad people. They're coming here for a reason. And I sympathize with the reason. But the laws are the laws.

So … let’s dig into the data. More than 70 percent of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. are from Mexico and Central America, according to the Migration Policy Institute. Mexico is by far the most common country of origin, but the population of Mexican immigrants in the U.S. (both documented and undocumented) actually fell 6 percent from 2007 to 2015, according to the Pew Research Center, while the numbers of Salvadorans, Hondurans and Guatemalans in the U.S. continued to grow. So when we talk about illegal immigration into the U.S., we’re mainly talking about immigration from those four countries, with El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala playing a growing role and Mexico a huge but shrinking one. And yes, most of those who have come to the U.S. from these countries are probably of rural origin, although (1) there’s not much good data on that and (2) there are indications that the rural share has been getting less “overwhelming” in recent years as Mexico and El Salvador, the two biggest sources of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S., have urbanized.

Much better data is available on the characteristics of foreign-born people here in the U.S., most of it from the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey, an annual survey of about 2 million households first conducted in 2005. The ACS does not sort immigrants by whether they have permission to be in the U.S. or not. 1 (Estimates of the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S., in fact, are arrived at by taking the totals from the ACS and subtracting out the numbers of temporary and permanent lawful residents provided by the Department of Homeland Security.) Still, it offers much insight into the characteristics of different immigrant groups. To get back to Kelly’s comment, here are the countries from which immigrants in the U.S. have the least formal education, according to the 2016 ACS:

The Least-Educated Immigrant Groups in the U.S.
Among those age 25 and older, by country of birth

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Source: U.S. Census Bureau American Community Survey 2016

So yes, the people who have come to the U.S. from Mexico and Central America tend not to have a lot of schooling. The European nations of Portugal, Italy and Greece are also on this list, although most immigrants from those countries arrived in the U.S. a long time ago so there’s understandably not much grumbling about them. Meanwhile, the countries from which the most-educated foreign-born U.S. residents hail make for quite a diverse bunch.

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Next, let’s examine Kelly’s comments about non-English-speakers. He’s right that immigrants from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras struggle with the language, although this time around, they cede first place to Myanmar:

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The list of countries from which immigrants in the U.S. are least likely to struggle with English are, unsurprisingly, all English-speaking countries, so I’m not going to bother with a chart. Extra credit, though, to the Netherlands and Germany for making the top 10 despite having their own languages, and to Trinidad & Tobago for beating out the U.K. for first place.

It’s important to remember, though, that immigrants from non-English-speaking countries have always struggled with the language. Many millions of immigrants from Germany, Italy and other European countries in the late 19th and early 20th centuries never did become fluent in English. But their children did!

The kids of today’s immigrants are learning English, too: Of people born in the U.S. who speak Spanish at home, reports the Census Bureau, 83 percent also speak English very well. The percentage is slightly higher — 87 percent — among those who speak other Indo-European languages at home, and is again 83 percent for those who speak Asian and Pacific languages at home.

Finally, there’s Kelly’s assertion that undocumented immigrants don’t integrate well. Language ability is one measure of integration. Employment is surely another one. When I ran a list of the countries from which immigrants in the U.S. have the highest employment-to-population ratio, some familiar names popped up:

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The employment-population ratio for Mexican-born U.S. residents, by the way, is 65.5 percent, which ranks it 28th out of the 80 countries for which there’s data. There are some caveats I should trot out here: The immigrant populations from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras are younger and more male than the overall U.S. population, which skews employment ratios upward, and since this data covers everyone age 16 and up, college and even high school students count against the total — which brings the ratio down among groups likely to pursue higher education. Still, their strong employment performance isn't a fluke; the Cato Institute's David Bier offers up lots of other evidence that Central Americans are integrating pretty well.

The foreign-born residents with the lowest employment-population ratios hail mainly from countries (Hungary, Italy, Greece, Germany) from which most immigrants arrived decades ago and are now in their 60s or older. The very lowest employment-population ratio, though, is for those born in Saudi Arabia, most of whom are in the U.S. for college or graduate school. And while no other country of origin has a majority of its U.S. residents currently enrolled in higher education, Kenya, Nigeria, Nepal and Ghana have the highest percentages after Saudi Arabia. So immigrants from Kenya, Nigeria and Ghana are near the top in both employment-population ratio and higher-education enrollment, and those from Nigeria are also near the top in educational attainment.

With that, let me offer my two cents on Kelly’s statement: It appears to be factually accurate in most of its characterizations of today’s undocumented immigrants, and I think the people decrying it as “racist” are for the most part just devaluing the term “racist.” His “they don’t integrate well” comment grates, though, given that Kelly and most other Americans are descended at least in part from rural people with limited education who didn’t speak any English when they got here. And while there is a case to be made that education and English are far more important to success in the U.S. than they were a century ago, one certainly can’t depict Central Americans in particular as sitting around twiddling their thumbs wondering how they will ever integrate into U.S. society. They’re too busy working.

Also — and nothing Kelly said contradicted this, but some things his boss has reportedly said certainly have — what the charts above tell me is that if we want more high-skilled, hardworking, English-speaking, ready-to-integrate immigrants, it looks like the most obvious place to find them is in African countries where English is widely spoken.
 

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So in other words by eliminating the white supremacist policy of family migration and replacing it with a merit system that prioritizes English it would give an advantage to Caribbean and African immigrants

It’s unfortunate that a white supremacist has better immigration policy ideas than the DNC policy of flooding America with migrants from Latin America
 

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So in other words by eliminating the white supremacist policy of family migration and replacing it with a merit system that prioritizes English it would give an advantage to Caribbean and African immigrants

It’s unfortunate that a white supremacist has better immigration policy ideas than the DNC policy of flooding America with migrants from Latin America
Except that isn't the current immigration policy or proposed immigration policy of Trump because there is still the use of quotas and the Trump administration has not only stated they want to minimize immigrants from shythole places like Haiti and Nigeria and rather have people from Switzerland (remember that?), the quotas of African immigrants and Caribbean immigrants have been targeted for slash by the Trump administration compared to the numbers proposed by previous administrations.

You guys really bend over backwards to give the right props and look pass their failings in order to be "different". It's really disingenuous and weird.
 

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Except that isn't the current immigration policy or proposed immigration policy of Trump because there is still the use of quotas and the Trump administration has not only stated they want to minimize immigrants from shythole places like Haiti and Nigeria and rather have people from Switzerland (remember that?), the quotas of African immigrants and Caribbean immigrants have been targeted for slash by the Trump administration compared to the numbers proposed by previous administrations.

You guys really bend over backwards to give the right props and look pass their failings in order to be "different". It's really disingenuous and weird.

Except that you are saying things that arent true, a merit system is the proposed policy to replace family migration

The administration cannot slash quotas so I’m not sure what you are talking about

I’m not defending trumps words, I’m defending the idea that family migration should be replaced with a merit system and one of the reasons for that is that it would increase black immigration, overall republicans immigration ideas are more advantageous to black people than democrats
 

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America will bomb your homeland, overthrow your government, salt the earth and massacre a village

then when you manage to get here ask you what your test scores looking like

:mjlol:fukk this country
America doesn't have to reap.:manny:
 

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but it is slowly but surely

I agree, and I'm not even sure it's slow. I do think it's optional though. At least in regards to third world/developing nation migration. It's entirely avoidable if America had the will.
 

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Except that you are saying things that arent true, a merit system is the proposed policy to replace family migration

The administration cannot slash quotas so I’m not sure what you are talking about

I’m not defending trumps words, I’m defending the idea that family migration should be replaced with a merit system and one of the reasons for that is that it would increase black immigration, overall republicans immigration ideas are more advantageous to black people than democrats

The problem with your assertion is skilled people just dont up and leave their homelands in large numbers. They are usually comfortable and would rather stay in their homeland.

Most people are drawn to the US for better opportunities. A merit based system would keep out a lot of very smart and ambitious Black people who are not currently skilled.

Plus why provide further incentives to brain drain the continent you mope.
 

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So in other words by eliminating the white supremacist policy of family migration and replacing it with a merit system that prioritizes English it would give an advantage to Caribbean and African immigrants

It’s unfortunate that a white supremacist has better immigration policy ideas than the DNC policy of flooding America with migrants from Latin America
stop with the nonense. there is no such policy. We are on the border of latin america. if we were on the border of africa it would be africans coming over here in droves like it is in europe. and we know, since us darker folks are the MOST hated. neither side would allow that migration to occur.
 

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stop with the nonense. there is no such policy. We are on the border of latin america. if we were on the border of africa it would be africans coming over here in droves like it is in europe. and we know, since us darker folks are the MOST hated. neither side would allow that migration to occur.

the current policy of the DNC is to grant amnesty to all illegal immigrants and increase the number of visas, so actually that is the proposed policy of the DNC

your point about africa is true but no country is going to allow a flood of people to cross its borders without there being pushback
 
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