Was '99 the year when Wu Tang started to show cracks in the armor with jawns like Rae's Immobilarity, GZA's Beneath the Surface, Dirt's Ni$%a Please+

[Rasille]

Did people expect them to make another 36 Chambers? They were different people by then and the music had evolved a ton by 1996/97 to even try and emulate that early 90’s sound. Wu Tang Forever was an amazing album and for me there were hardly any skips except Black Shampoo and Dog shyt.

 

[Rasille]

Wu Tang fell off after 1997, their peak was 1993(36 Chambers)-1997(Forever), they became too oversaturated with all those affiliate projects, I don’t care how “dope” they may have been, those projects watered down the brand. Rza should’ve took a more hardline stance and kept some quality control over the logo and the brand, including making sure he oversaw every Wu project (core 9/10 members) albums to make sure the quality was up to par. When we started getting random “The Swarm Vol 1” albums that’s when I knew it was over.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Yeah, it's hard to describe, imagine a classic album dropping every other week, anthems all over the radio and tv, and you're still stuck on albums from years ago in your rotation. I understand younger dudes thinking everything they hear from back then is a classic compared to today's trash, but we had high standards because we were used to REAL classics. Four mics might sound like five mics today, but we didn't think so at the time.

Hip hop was different then. I remember I had a radio in my room. I used to record the top 9 at 9. I use to record the dj mixes cause they had the exclusives. Hip Hop ultimately got ruined when the corporations stepped in. The checks were bigger for the artists at the compromise of the product itself. These kids will never know the feeling of getting out of school rushing to see Rap City cause your favorite rapper up there. Going to Circuit City every Tuesday you could find a classic or a really good album.

 

[patscorpio]

The Disrespect to nikka Please

ill say that about that album...i enjoyed the album but i also thought it was a cry for help..i thought that back in the 90s and i think that now..esp with all docs that have been done on him during that time frame...that being said..Dirty was one of the few Wu members during that post Forever run of Wu albums to actually produce a legit classic hit

 

[Fresh]

When you think about how fast a rapper can go from the shyt to just shyt, it’s funny

I actually liked Cappadonna's joint

I liked the lyrics, production etc

The Pillage was dope

 

[patscorpio]

Rae thinks immobilarity is a classic so …

Rae is one rapper that should have never make music without a lead producer/A&R type..great rapper but gotdamn...had to be convinced about Ice Cream and immobilarity being a classic...sheeiiitt

 

[boogers]

Chef was so mad at RZA during this time, that he was willing to let the A&R's at the label do his beats for the album.

That's the kind of stubborn sh*t that RZA was always talking about. Everybody wanted to be their own bosses, even if that meant making subpar music. So he didn't bring in Ghost, had no production from RZA and said he was gonna be the executive producer himself and do everything on his own. We see the result. He was lucky to get the Pete Rock joint. And that was the best track on the album!

you mustve read raekwons book too lol

half of that book (if not more) is him complaining about rza lol

i agree with rae. if anything destroyed wu-tang it was money. hell by the time wu-tang forever came out it was over. they got fat and comfortable... and they absolutely deserved every cent they made, but they didnt have to try as hard anymore, and it shows.

i would love to see what rza could come up with nowadays if he limited himself to early 90s technology. as an example, i like to write, but using a computer is distracting as hell because you end up opening firefox and reading shyt and getting nothing done. i use an old mac to write because i cant browse the net on it. it keeps you focused on the task at hand. i wonder if he's ever tried something like that.

 

[I love Latina women]

I actually liked Cappadonna's joint

I liked the lyrics, production etc

The Pillage was dope

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

you mustve read raekwons book too lol

half of that book (if not more) is him complaining about rza lol

i agree with rae. if anything destroyed wu-tang it was money. hell by the time wu-tang forever came out it was over. they got fat and comfortable... and they absolutely deserved every cent they made, but they didnt have to try as hard anymore, and it shows.

i would love to see what rza could come up with nowadays if he limited himself to early 90s technology. as an example, i like to write, but using a computer is distracting as hell because you end up opening firefox and reading shyt and getting nothing done. i use an old mac to write because i cant browse the net on it. it keeps you focused on the task at hand. i wonder if he's ever tried something like that.

In the 90s the Wu was like superheroes. I think one thing they don’t really get credit for is bringing the East back they always give that to Bad Boy.

 

[Rasille]

In the 90s the Wu was like superheroes. I think one thing they don’t really get credit for is bringing the East back they always give that to Bad Boy.

It was a collective effort between the Wu, BCC, Nas, Biggie, Mobb Deep then later on Mase, Jay Z and DMX.

 

[I love Latina women]

The Disrespect to nikka Please

I love that album too but……

ill say that about that album...i enjoyed the album but i also thought it was a cry for help..i thought that back in the 90s and i think that now..esp with all docs that have been done on him during that time frame...that being said..Dirty was one of the few Wu members during that post Forever run of Wu albums to actually produce a legit classic hit

Yes! All of this!

I love the album as well even tho it wasn’t Return The 36 Chambers

But at the same time, that album was a man becoming more and more unhinged with more money and access to drugs and trying to deal fame in the spotlight

And I agree, the more I look back and the older I get now, I see more and more how much Dirty needed help during those years of 97’ to 99’, he was wilding out and any and everywhere making headlines and the news

Dude was in need of rehab and therapy

I’ll never forget when came home and how much of a shell of his former self he was

The drugs (both outside of jail and inside) really took a toll on him and the time he was locked up in jail and the ward.

He needed rehab, not jail

 

[patscorpio]

I love that album too but……



Yes! All of this!

I love the album as well even tho it wasn’t Return The 36 Chambers

But at the same time, that album was a man becoming more and more unhinged with more money and access to drugs and trying to deal fame in the spotlight

And I agree, the more I look back and the older I get now, I see more and more how much Dirty needed help during those years of 97’ to 99’, he was wilding out and any and everywhere making headlines and the news

Dude was in need of rehab and therapy

I’ll never forget when came home and how much of a shell of his former self he was

The drugs (both outside of jail and inside) really took a toll on him and the time he was locked up in jail and the ward.

He needed rehab, not jail

yup...i remember RZA wanting to rehab him...have him lose weight and stuff once he got out of jail..but dirty signed to rocafella and things got changed

i will say one thing...he was spot on with the gov't being on them...the fact that fbi had a whole file on them was crazy..prolly added on to his demons

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

It was a collective effort between the Wu, BCC, Nas, Biggie, Mobb Deep then later on Mase, Jay Z and DMX.

I agree it was collective but the Wu set it off with 36 Chambers then all those solos but they exalted BIG as KONY. I can see how they felt a certain kind of way. BIG was nice and all that. But 1993 snoop was that dude Wutang came thru crazy for the East. Hip Hop was just different.

 

[I love Latina women]

yup...i remember RZA wanting to rehab him...have him lose weight and stuff once he got out of jail..but dirty signed to rocafella and things got changed

i will say one thing...he was spot on with the gov't being on them...the fact that fbi had a whole file on them was crazy..prolly added on to his demons

Yup I remember RZA saying that on that VH1 Special On Parole

I watched that A&E documentary about Dirty (A Tale of Two Dirtys) on Hulu and it was said that Dirty didn’t even know he was signing to Roc-a-fella, it was a surprise

I know Dirty felt a way about a lot of them not coming to see him when he was locked down and felt like they forget about him

(I know they performed at Riker’s Island when he was there)


Yup, I remember reading about that a few years ago when it was confirmed and then again in the Wu documentary Mics of Men when they talked about it

 

[boogers]

Yup I remember RZA saying that on that VH1 Special On Parole

I watched that A&E documentary about Dirty (A Tale of Two Dirtys) on Hulu and it was said that Dirty didn’t even know he was signing to Roc-a-fella, it was a surprise

I know Dirty felt a way about a lot of them not coming to see him when he was locked down and felt like they forget about him

(I know they performed at Riker’s Island when he was there)


Yup, I remember reading about that a few years ago when it was confirmed and then again in the Wu documentary Mics of Men when they talked about it

i hate what rza wrote about dirty after he died. he wrote about him as if he were some sage who lost his marbles because of drugs. dirty had serious untreated mental illness and he used drugs to cope. im sure they realized this yet did nothing to help him. they were fine with his crazy when it made them money, but when he needed his friends, they left him in jail to be assaulted countless times. i dont know what they did to dirty when he was in jail but ill bet its similar to whatever they did to Pac. he was broken upon release just like pac was. rza sucks. you cant just give up on someone then pretend you cared after theyre gone.