Was CNN's War Report really that BIG when it Dropped?

[bigbadbossup2012]

You're comparing cnn to other rappers when thats not the topic.......The topic is the impact of their 1997 LP......we not comparing BG to CNN.....it doesnt say BG vs CNN in the title.



.......If the topic is cnns 1997 lp then people are gonna speak on it and its impact. We arent talking about BG. Now if the thread had BGs 1997 albums in the title then someone like you can speak on it and no one from NY could say shyt. You'd get your moment to shine and if anyone goes "Well it didnt get play in NYC" then u can speak on how it doesnt matter cuz it got heavy play where u are and thats the facts.

But lets stay on BG since u wanna refelct on sales. U said

if OB4CL was coming out of every car (and maybe it was on the east coast) and it didnt do big numbers,but i heard dogg food,matw,e1999 eternal,cocktales coming out of every trunk AND THEY HAD BETTER SALES,i'm supposed to believe those east coast albums were popping as much or more than those? Where's the logic in that?

Now If I flip this same argument and say "well if BGs iaonu vol 1 -2 was coming out the car where u from in 97 but Wu Tang and Biggie had better sales, i'm supposed to believe we should be mentioning BG albums as if they were popping as much or more then those?

In the end it comes down to who's belief is standing on more solid ground and backed by something beyond east coast media < - -----------your words (The argument works both ways )




and then u wanna dismiss east coast media when Source magazine was the outlet that pushed BG and Cash money heavy on the east coast. How Dah Shinin only get 3 mics yet Guerilla warfare got 4 1/2?



Boy you something else

If someone tried to act as if BG was popping as much as LAD they would be incredibly wrong. I dont get your point

 

[smokeurobinson]

If someone tried to act as if BG was popping as much as LAD they would be incredibly wrong. I dont get your point

LAW 44. DISARM AND INFURIATE WITH THE MIRROR EFFECT


It doesnt make sense because u are looking in a mirror.

You said BG was popping in your hood more then CNN



then u said::


In the end it comes down to who's belief is standing on more solid ground and backed by something beyond east coast media


So First u say BG was popping in your hood more then CNN in 97.....Then you used sales as a means to question if Cuban Linx was popping more then Doggystyle if Doggystyle sold more.


Well which one is it...is it sales or is it whats bumping in your hood??

If its sales then why the fukk even bring up BG in a thread about CNN's first album??

if its whats bumping in your hood, then why are you trolling about album sales between east/west rappers when the topic is about CNNs first album???

 

[Wacky D]

same shyt

no its not.

2 different places.

a lot of stuff that pops in NYC doesn't translate to philly & vice-versa.

the difference between local & regional popularity.

You dont have to like nas,you love illmatic
So illmatic's success and popularity was so centered and concentrated in the east coast that east coast bootlegging stopped it from being a huge success?
He didnt have enough success around the nation to be successful despite that?

Interesting,very interesting

And my point is proven,thanks

I wouldn't say I love illmatic either.

I didn't say its in my top 5 favorite albums. nowhere near. since we're talking about war report & chopper city. those are 2 albums right there that I get more of a kick out of than illmatic.
but in terms of the best rap albums ive ever heard. illmatic is in that top 5-10 range.

illmatic didn't do big numbers for various reasons.
but in terms of bootlegging, yea that plays a major factor. its not like rappers in other select markets will lil fang fang can be popular in just a certain section of California for the most part and still go at least gold.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

LAW 44. DISARM AND INFURIATE WITH THE MIRROR EFFECT


It doesnt make sense because u are looking in a mirror.

You said BG was popping in your hood more then CNN



then u said::


In the end it comes down to who's belief is standing on more solid ground and backed by something beyond east coast media


So First u say BG was popping in your hood more then CNN in 97.....Then you used sales as a means to question if Cuban Linx was popping more then Doggystyle if Doggystyle sold more.


Well which one is it...is it sales or is it whats bumping in your hood??

If its sales then why the fukk even bring up BG in a thread about CNN's first album??

if its whats bumping in your hood, then why are you trolling about album sales between east/west rappers when the topic is about CNNs first album???

You didnt prove me wrong about anything. I'm saying just because BG was hotter in my hood than CNN,doesnt mean it was hotter coast to coast.
BTW neither album has a certification and BG's album is an actual independent and CNN was through the majors.

But my argument has never changed. If this was bumping in my hood and that was bumping in your hood but the one bumping in my hood quadrupled the one bumping in your hood's,in nationwide sales,the only educated assumption is that the higher selling one was popping more and made an greater impact overall.

I brought up bg because dude was talking like cnn was hot in every hood cause it was hot out there. So i brought up BG to say despite being a true independent release,it was hotter out here than cnn (not saying it was hotter nationwide) i was making the point that in the end record sales trump whatever was happening in your hood,my hood,this region that region etc. It will always be the most accurate vs bias opinions.
ESPECIALLY if the debate is between two,non white street oriented acts

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

no its not.

2 different places.

a lot of stuff that pops in NYC doesn't translate to philly & vice-versa.

the difference between local & regional popularity.





I wouldn't say I love illmatic either.

I didn't say its in my top 5 favorite albums. nowhere near. since we're talking about war report & chopper city. those are 2 albums right there that I get more of a kick out of than illmatic.
but in terms of the best rap albums ive ever heard. illmatic is in that top 5-10 range.

illmatic didn't do big numbers for various reasons.
but in terms of bootlegging, yea that plays a major factor. its not like rappers in other select markets will lil fang fang can be popular in just a certain section of California for the most part and still go at least gold.

It's just another bullshyt excuse.
Who do you think this applies to?
What albums?

Illmatic didnt sell cause the general public wasnt on nas like that,PERIOD

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

no its not.

2 different places.

a lot of stuff that pops in NYC doesn't translate to philly & vice-versa.

the difference between local & regional popularity.





I wouldn't say I love illmatic either.

I didn't say its in my top 5 favorite albums. nowhere near. since we're talking about war report & chopper city. those are 2 albums right there that I get more of a kick out of than illmatic.
but in terms of the best rap albums ive ever heard. illmatic is in that top 5-10 range.

illmatic didn't do big numbers for various reasons.
but in terms of bootlegging, yea that plays a major factor. its not like rappers in other select markets will lil fang fang can be popular in just a certain section of California for the most part and still go at least gold.

YOU REALLY SIT HERE with tHIs narrative to downplay a cali nikkas success and make excuses for east coast failure then turned around and pretend you're not as bias and lost as the rest of these clowns.
smh

 

[smokeurobinson]

I brought up bg because dude was talking like cnn was hot in every hood cause it was hot out there. So i brought up BG to say despite being a true independent release,it was hotter out here than cnn (not saying it was hotter nationwide) i was making the point that in the end record sales trump whatever was happening in your hood,my hood,this region that region etc. It will always be the most accurate vs bias opinions.
ESPECIALLY if the debate is between two,non white street oriented acts

Doesnt matter if bg was bumping more in your hood.......LA LA was part of the east coast/ west coast beef. If your hood wasn't up on LaLa then u cant even speak on the east coast /west coast beef when the topic is brought up.




How 2pac acknowledge LALA but you refuse to? 2pac is on record acknowledging LALA but you wanna talk about BG who Pac never acknowledged

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Doesnt matter if bg was bumping more in your hood.......LA LA was part of the east coast/ west coast beef. If your hood wasn't up on LaLa then u cant even speak on the east coast /west coast beef when the topic is brought up.




How 2pac acknowledge LALA but you refuse to? 2pac is on record acknowledging LALA but you wanna talk about BG who Pac never acknowledged

Yea but my argument was never BG was bigger than CNN overall at that point. SO....?

 

[nieman]

I'm done with this thread. Some of these responses....

 

[John Reena]

I remember T.O.N.Y. was no. 1 on Rap City a LOOOONNNG time.

 

[Edub]

If you were on some east coast shyt at the time or always have been like me.....yea definitely, but TONY was kind of underground so if u knew you knew .......but that was back when underground shyt was by far the best music and only a select many was up on the livest shyt. So for heads, yea definitely after TONY nikkas that knew what time it was was waitin on it........but not the mass public

 

[Still Benefited]

The goofy shyt is neverending in threads like this...

There's always somebody who equates "me and my 7 friends didn't know about it" to "nobody was checkin' for it"

Always the "only in NY" folk when they were barely off their own porch to gauge what people everywhere knew about

Always the "it wasn't mainstream so it wasn't shyt"

To answer the question, no, the War Report wasn't "big"... if by "big" you mean an album that spun off radio smashes and videos that were MTV/BET staples. If you were following hip-hop actively, and not just who had a hit at the time, War Report was one of the best albums that year and got a lot of love considering that it was a very underground/street aimed album.

Sounds like you said all that,to eventually agree with the very thing you call goofy

I guess uncovering myths,and correcting false narratives is goofy now

 

[Still Benefited]

the major issue with the "it was only big in NYC" replies are...while sort of true.... you have to keep it in the context of back then and not how it is today...... remember in 97-time frame, New York controlled a big portion of the total hip hop market share in fact, that may of been the peak of it influence wise..and consumption of Hip hop wasn't the internet or youtube anything like that, it was radio, vibe/source/XXL, rap city, BET, MTV...

at the time, MTV mostly played jiggy sh*t like puff daddy and mase so that was the tier 1 as far as crossover stuff..so was it that big? no...it wasn't "crossover"..............was it big with the yo mtv raps, rap city, source /XXL crowd....absolutely... and that wasn't just regulated to NYC

Still the same thing,there is a demographic of nikkas who viewed the source as "the bible"...and used it as a guide on what to check for,who had next etc....much of it was NY bias.

But people who followed the source religiously dont reflect the views of the majority of people locally,and what the climate of they community was.

 

[The Dust King]

Thats your online reaction

If you seen what i seen you and the rest them cacs would

 

[DANJ!]

Sounds like you said all that,to eventually agree with the very thing you call goofy

I guess uncovering myths,and correcting false narratives is goofy now

Now you know I been callin' you "NotSmart" since SOHH, and I pretty much put you in the same category as @bigbadbossup2012 when it comes to these coastal threads... uncovering myths? I don't think there's ever been a myth that CNN's album was a huge 'hit' album, but who gives a fukk really? Bottom line is, and this has always been true, there's certain music that's not hot EVERYWHERE. And that doesn't just go for NY artists, but those are the only ones y'all are quick to hop in a thread and attempt to discredit. Some of us were fans of music, and some of us were fans of popularity... which one were you? Threads like this always expose who was who.