Dr. Narcisse
Veteran
Lowkey Pau probably could have won finals MVP in 2010
Was Pau Gasol even a top 15 player in 2009 and 2010?
- Thread starter 10bandz
- Start date
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
Nikka said numbersFirst off, he wasnt better than Amare or Bosh
Secondly, was he even better than Zach Randolph or David lee? I didnt even list them but look at their numbers from those years. Look at Danny Grangers numbers .
Also, Pau got to the offs and didnt win one single game before Kobe.
David Lee was my guy no the fukk he wasn’t better than Pau, David could get you 20/10 but his interior defense was atrocious. Randolph could give you 20/10 but was a black hole and also a poor defender.
Amar’e was an All-Time offensive big man IMO defensively one of the worst in the league. Bosh wasn’t a defender either in Toronto that came later in Miami and he showed flashes in the ‘08 Olympic run.
Pau doesn’t get enough credit because of his soft reputation and because he didn’t have gaudy numbers (20+ points per game).
His rim protection with his mammoth 7’5 wingspan doesn’t get mentioned he was a solid shot blocker and one of those guys that was excellent with the rule of verticality and put in work defensively against KG in the Finals. He was also arguably the best passing big man in basketball crucial to the system. He was also hyper efficient shooting 59%, 57%, 54% those three title run years with the Lakers in the season more efficient than the guys you comparing him to. His touch and low post skill was great and he had shooting range up to 18 feet.
Also check the ‘lytics on Pau Gasol
For 09 you can put in Danny Granger instead of Rose. Granger was the 5th best scorer in the league in 09, dropped 26 ppg. BRandon Roy put up 22ppg in 78 games that year. Tony Parker was 22 and 7 that year.
CouldBeWorse
Superstar
Melo was not fukking better than Dwight in 09-10 
I like how Pau was regarded as a big loser and a fraud prior to joining Kobe and then he joins Kobe and all of a sudden he was the main piece
like someone said, he couldn't even win a playoff game prior to Kobe saving his career
like someone said, he couldn't even win a playoff game prior to Kobe saving his career
Nikka said numbers
David Lee was my guy no the fukk he wasn’t better than Pau, David could get you 20/10 but his interior defense was atrocious. Randolph could give you 20/10 but was a black hole and also a poor defender.
Amar’e was an All-Time offensive big man IMO defensively one of the worst in the league. Bosh wasn’t a defender either in Toronto that came later in Miami and he showed flashes in the ‘08 Olympic run.
Pau doesn’t get enough credit because of his soft reputation and because he didn’t have gaudy numbers (20+ points per game).
His rim protection with his mammoth 7’5 wingspan doesn’t get mentioned he was a solid shot blocker and one of those guys that was excellent with the rule of verticality and put in work defensively against KG in the Finals. He was also arguably the best passing big man in basketball crucial to the system. He was also hyper efficient shooting 59%, 57%, 54% those three title run years with the Lakers in the season more efficient than the guys you comparing him to. His touch and low post skill was great and he had shooting range up to 18 feet.
Also check the ‘lytics on Pau Gasol
So if Kobe had Bosh, Zach or Amare in 08 he doesn't win?
Pau's efficiency immediately went up when he joined Kobe.....would've been the same for the other guys.
But you really gonna say Pau was better than Amare and Bosh huh
With all this rim protection and effiency and passing from Pau ,he couldn't even win one playoff game before Kobe whereas none of the other guys mentioned had that issue 
Do you have a case to put him into the top 10 for that time period?
Melo was not fukking better than Dwight in 09-10
My list isn't in order
How? We were down 3-2 and he played like azz in Game 6, and played like azz in Game 5 while Kobe desperately tried to get us the win. In Game 7 he shot azz from the FT line, including 1-4 in the 4th qtr. He wins Finals MVP cuz he shot 6-18 the same night Kobe shot 6-24?
these dudes are mental breh0-11 swept 3 times in Memphis
0-3 in LA without Kobe
0-14 record total
Didn’t win his 1st playoff game without Kobe until he went to Chicago
13 years into
His career
I wish there were archives from laker games thread back on sohh to demonstrates how much in frustrated laker fans sometimes
He was a skilled 7 footer that could do anything on the floor. He was def a top 15 player. You nikkas dont watch games and only go by numbers. Lakers werent title contenders before they got Pau.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
Pau was already efficient in Memphis. He already shot 54% his last full year there and that’s while taking a nice volume of midrangers for a big.So if Kobe had Bosh, Zach or Amare in 08 he doesn't win?
Pau's efficiency immediately went up when he joined Kobe.....would've been the same for the other guys.
But you really gonna say Pau was better than Amare and Bosh huh
Do you have a case to put him into the top 10 for that time period?
My list isn't in order
Pau Gasol 2006-07 Shooting | Basketball-Reference.com
Also, who knows with the other guys. Amar’e would severely hurt the Lakers elite defense at the time. Building a team isn’t always about these perceptions over whose top what but fit, Pau with his advanced skill set in the low post and passing ability was perfect for the Triangle and perfect next to Kobe. Gasol doesn’t have a flashy game or gaudy scoring numbers but his impact was there.
Zach Randolph, Carlos Boozer, David Lee those guys aren’t even worth mentioning they weren’t on Gasol’s level.
Pau’s teams were solid at best in Memphis all the teams he lost to were like 60 win powerhouses so I don’t know why you holding that against him. Stoudemire played on one of those stacked teams in the Suns. Chris Bosh wasn’t making the playoffs in Toronto he made it twice in 7 years.
Last edited:
I like how some of y’all be in here straight up sincerely pretending that you’ve never had this argument with each other before. Like this is a new topic of discussion.
Insanity. Pure insanity
Insanity. Pure insanity
ALonelyDad
Veteran
You can rank him anywhere from 14-20 but there were easily 14 better than him
Dr. Narcisse
Veteran
It was 6-16
And in game 6 he had 17/13/9 while locking up KG.
He neutralized Kevin Garnett that series. Kept him off the boards entirely.
He averaged 19/12/4/3
His advanced stats are exactly the same as Kobe's.
Kobe shot just 40% that series.
If Pau played a better game 5 (and if still went 7) he likely wins it.
I've seen people use the Gasol trade to discredit Kobe's 08 but before joining the Lakers Gasol was averaging 19/9 on 51% shooting for a 13-32 Grizzlies squad (didn't play ever game, however), then suddenly averages 19/8 on 59% for a team that goes on a 22-5 run and reaches the finals. And even before that he wasn't known as a big time player even with the 45+ wins the Grizzlies sometimes reached before losing their glue guy (Battier), sure you could attribute some of that Lakers production to Phil and the triangle, but there's another more significant reason why
But anyway, Gasol was a great player, in his prime he was 3rd team caliber with a weak 2nd team argument in some years (11 comes to mind) but anything more than that is overrating the hell out of him. His defense was also pretty inconsistent, very good shot blocker with great length but that's all for naught when you're not as quick or strong as many of the guys you're guarding
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
I remember when the servers on old sohh shut down when the Lakers got Pau. 
But because heads want to add to the legend of Kobe and re-write history, they make Pau a (fill in the blank with something less than great)_______ talent.
See through and boring
But because heads want to add to the legend of Kobe and re-write history, they make Pau a (fill in the blank with something less than great)_______ talent.
See through and boring