watched "Training Day" for the first time in about 15-16yrs. Damn...

[Poetical Poltergeist]

You have the magic eye.

 

[Ol’Otis]

every other day I think how drunk a brother gotta be to kill a russian mobster

I hated that part of the story like they couldn’t figure out nothing else

 

[Ol’Otis]

You know what's funny, it took me forever to realize Roger was an ex-cop.

Wait, he was?

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

Wait, he was?

"you were just like him" of course he was

 

[DaRealness]

Classic movie, but I always wondered how the whole world seemed to know he beat a Russian mobster to death in Vegas...and how Smiley knew about the whole deal of him having to pay them one million dollars but they were still gonna whack him anyway. I imagine that's not exactly the type of thing you'd want everybody to know for obvious reasons. Plus if even the 'three wise men' knew about, surely law enforcement would have arrested him at least...I doubt EVERYBODY would be that corrupt to let it slide.

 

[David_TheMan]

Classic movie, but I always wondered how the whole world seemed to know he beat a Russian mobster to death in Vegas...and how Smiley knew about the whole deal of him having to pay them one million dollars but they were still gonna whack him anyway. I imagine that's not exactly the type of thing you'd want everybody to know for obvious reasons. Plus if even the 'three wise men' knew about, surely law enforcement would have arrested him at least...I doubt EVERYBODY would be that corrupt to let it slide.

A Russian mobster ain't beating the LAPD. In la.
Simple. They kill a cop everyone is coming down on them.

 

[FaTaL]

You know what's funny, it took me forever to realize Roger was an ex-cop.

That would make sense why he wasn’t locked up

 

[FaTaL]

Classic movie, but I always wondered how the whole world seemed to know he beat a Russian mobster to death in Vegas...and how Smiley knew about the whole deal of him having to pay them one million dollars but they were still gonna whack him anyway. I imagine that's not exactly the type of thing you'd want everybody to know for obvious reasons. Plus if even the 'three wise men' knew about, surely law enforcement would have arrested him at least...I doubt EVERYBODY would be that corrupt to let it slide.

Russians probably spread the word to pressure him

 

[987654321]

I hated that part of the story like they couldn’t figure out nothing else

I didn’t mind it. It helps to define Alonzo’s duplicity. When he meets Hoyt, he seems to be calm and in control of everything. You believe in his wisdom. By the end you’ve already see his mask coming apart at the seams. You realize he was full of shyt and scamming everybody the whole time. His only power came from making everybody believe that he was untouchable. If anybody makes him feel less than that, he doesn’t even need to be drunk to start trying to take them off the board.

He was never in control like he wants everybody to think. His reactions to things make it very believable that he’d do something stupid enough to lead to his own murder.

He’s a narcissistic psychopath in the clinical sense. Even though everything around him is falling apart, he still believes in himself, and can’t see it’s over even after he’s been riddled with bullets that should have killed him lol.

I loved the movie and should probably give it another watch.

My only mild complaints were that I wish Hoyt was played by a breh. I also wish Alonzo’s death was more realistic in its ugliness and pain. Nobody just stands there swiggling when hit by multiple fully automatic firearms. And those automatic shots wouldn’t have all hit center mass. He should have literally been crumpled and chewed up. I feel like a more lifelike death would made the movie hit harder, even though it may traumatize some of the audience.

 

[987654321]

Classic movie, but I always wondered how the whole world seemed to know he beat a Russian mobster to death in Vegas...and how Smiley knew about the whole deal of him having to pay them one million dollars but they were still gonna whack him anyway. I imagine that's not exactly the type of thing you'd want everybody to know for obvious reasons. Plus if even the 'three wise men' knew about, surely law enforcement would have arrested him at least...I doubt EVERYBODY would be that corrupt to let it slide.

As many people as Alonzo fukked over. I could absolutely believe Los Angeles Cinematic universe Police Department would look the other way.

 

[987654321]

Roger wasn't a cop. It's a good performance by Scott Glenn, but he doesn't really come across like a heavy hitter dope boy, it's all a little too neat, it's not even that he's white, and older, it's just doesn't feel right. Lacks the grit and menace of the gangsters, probably because they weren't actors.

The tell is when Alonzo says something like "I am cashing in one of my accounts, my first one", and again "I watched him operate for years with impunity and now I got him", "Roger sold dope to kids"

The pension thing is, he's saying they want too much. They are getting greedy. He's fine with paying them off, as he has been doing, but taking his bankroll is unacceptable. If they were saying he was an ex cop, the screenplay didn't point that way much.

Roger was a retired cop that became a drug dealer

 

[RickyDiBiase]

On par with the Godfather if I'm being honest.

 

[NormanConnors]

On some real life stuff, can you imagine what Ethan Hawkes character wouldve been thinking when Alonzo and them told him he was eating that self-defense homicide ?



Denzel dying at the end might be one of the few bad guy characters you weren't low key rooting for. It wasn't sad in any way when he got popped

For me it was, I wanted him to win/avoid death in some capacity. Character was the highlight of the movie.

 

[987654321]

For me it was, I wanted him to win/avoid death in some capacity. Character was the highlight of the movie.

lol I wanted to see his bytch ass die so bad. He had everybody’s sympathy and interest at the beginning, but dude was despicable as fukk lol.

 

[David_TheMan]

I didn’t mind it. It helps to define Alonzo’s duplicity. When he meets Hoyt, he seems to be calm and in control of everything. You believe in his wisdom. By the end you’ve already see his mask coming apart at the seams. You realize he was full of shyt and scamming everybody the whole time. His only power came from making everybody believe that he was untouchable. If anybody makes him feel less than that, he doesn’t even need to be drunk to start trying to take them off the board.

He was never in control like he wants everybody to think. His reactions to things make it very believable that he’d do something stupid enough to lead to his own murder.

He’s a narcissistic psychopath in the clinical sense. Even though everything around him is falling apart, he still believes in himself, and can’t see it’s over even after he’s been riddled with bullets that should have killed him lol.

I loved the movie and should probably give it another watch.

My only mild complaints were that I wish Hoyt was played by a breh. I also wish Alonzo’s death was more realistic in its ugliness and pain. Nobody just stands there swiggling when hit by multiple fully automatic firearms. And those automatic shots wouldn’t have all hit center mass. He should have literally been crumpled and chewed up. I feel like a more lifelike death would made the movie hit harder, even though it may traumatize some of the audience.

the only reason lonzo dies is because Denzel made them change the ending so the bad guy gets punished due to influence from the NAACP
the original story and more true to life was that he would get away with it and keep on rolling.