we all know LBJ is the best player in the world but...

[Gotright]

Oh. I don't care.

Unlike everyone else I'm not about argue and shyt. I just what I gotta say and that's finals. Kobe was the best in 08. And that's that. fukk arguing with you nikkas.

so can u answer the question when do u think lebron become the best

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

First, I don't see many threads made by actual Heat fans since a few days after the finals ended.

Second, I'm not sure why you're still so sensitive. I can't even say good morning without being an a$$hole about it, get over yourself.

I'm not sensitive, you obviously get bothered by small shyt like stan shyt talkin and trolling. It's funny how you keep tryna flip it on me tho.

 

[TheNig]

so can u answer the question when do u think lebron become the best

Nah. Don't feel like it.

 

[MicIsGod]

Nah. Don't feel like it.

 

[Gotright]

Nah. Don't feel like it.

 

[HendriX]

Nobody is worried about that old ass snitch faqqit rapist anymore

Bron been shytting on him and his team since his father shaq left

 

[Jram]

LeBron's been the best player in the league since the 2007-08 season, and maybe as early as 2006.

 

[blackzeus]

Lebron went to a team with a guaranteed HOF and a perennial All Star to win his first ring. There's no discussion to be really had IMO. And for all this stat trouting you nikkaz is doing:
(rounded)
Kobe '04: 27, 6, 6 Bron '04: 27, 7, 7
Kobe '05: 35, 5, 5 Bron '05: 31, 7, 7
Kobe '06: 32, 5, 6 Bron '06: 27, 6, 7
Kobe '07: 28, 5, 6 Bron '07: 30, 7, 8
Kobe '08: 27, 5, 5 Bron '08: 28, 7, 8
Kobe '09: 27, 5, 5 Bron '09: 30, 9, 7
Kobe '10: 25, 5, 5 Bron '10: 27, 7, 8
Kobe '11: 28, 5, 5 Bron '11: 27, 6, 8

Outside of '09, for the most part, they have been neck and neck, considering that THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, with Lebron being a facilitator, and Kobe being the finisher. I give the FG% wars to Lebron (but barely because Kobe takes 1 more 3PT shot per game than Lebron, and is at 45% on 20 shots per game, while Lebron is at 48% on 20 shots per game, you take away the 1 3PT shot, their FG% since '05 is not that much different), but his lack of a jumpshot has definitely hurt his teams at times. But I don't get all that Lebron has been clearly the best player since '05 talk.

Since '05
Kobe- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 7 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 3 ASG MVP, 2 scoring titles, 2 finals appearances, 2 finals MVP, 2 championships

Bron- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 4 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 2 ASG MVP, 1 scoring title, 2 finals appearances, 1 finals MVP, 1 championship

^^^How has Lebron been obviously the best player? And this is just on paper. This doesn't include the fact that Kobe plays IN THE WEST, the clutchness, the fact that his play basically saved Team USA in the last Olympics (where was the supposed best player in the L? ), the fact that Lebron handles the ball on virtually every play, I could go on and on. And remember, Kobe played last year injured! Please stop with all this nonsense.

 

[Gotright]

Lebron went to a team with a guaranteed HOF and a perennial All Star to win his first ring. There's no discussion to be really had IMO. And for all this stat trouting you nikkaz is doing:
(rounded)
Kobe '04: 27, 6, 6 Bron '04: 27, 7, 7
Kobe '05: 35, 5, 5 Bron '05: 31, 7, 7
Kobe '06: 32, 5, 6 Bron '06: 27, 6, 7
Kobe '07: 28, 5, 6 Bron '07: 30, 7, 8
Kobe '08: 27, 5, 5 Bron '08: 28, 7, 8
Kobe '09: 27, 5, 5 Bron '09: 30, 9, 7
Kobe '10: 25, 5, 5 Bron '10: 27, 7, 8
Kobe '11: 28, 5, 5 Bron '11: 27, 6, 8

Outside of '09, for the most part, they have been neck and neck, considering that THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, with Lebron being a facilitator, and Kobe being the finisher. I give the FG% wars to Lebron (but barely because Kobe takes 1 more 3PT shot per game than Lebron, and is at 45% on 20 shots per game, while Lebron is at 48% on 20 shots per game, you take away the 1 3PT shot, their FG% since '05 is not that much different), but his lack of a jumpshot has definitely hurt his teams at times. But I don't get all that Lebron has been clearly the best player since '05 talk.

Since '05
Kobe- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 7 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 3 ASG MVP, 2 scoring titles, 2 finals appearances, 2 finals MVP, 2 championships

Bron- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 4 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 2 ASG MVP, 1 scoring title, 2 finals appearances, 1 finals MVP, 1 championship

^^^How has Lebron been obviously the best player? And this is just on paper. This doesn't include the fact that Kobe plays IN THE WEST, the clutchness, the fact that his play basically saved Team USA in the last Olympics (where was the supposed best player in the L? ), the fact that Lebron handles the ball on virtually every play, I could go on and on. And remember, Kobe played last year injured! Please stop with all this nonsense.

so it all started in o8

 

[Gravity]

THe issue isn't the topic, the issue is your theme. THis bullshyt about "bronstans" vs. "kobestans" and "sonning" and everything else...

It isn't 2006 any more.

And even in 2006, the shyt was stupid. You little light footed drama queens want to turn everything into a soap opera. THis isn't Game of THrones. And Robb STark gets his head cut off and his wolf's head is sewed on. THat's what happens when you engage in such trivial nonsense.

Grow up.

The funny thing is that he still won't get it. He's going to stay on that little boy schtick cheerleading and being a groupie to another grown man. I'll say it again, Nas and Kobe internet fans are one of a kind.

I just don't get why people take these debates so personally when none of you know these players. For the record, Lebron is the better player. He's currently better than Kobe has ever been, and it's not about stats. He's better based on the eye-test.

 

[boskey]

Outside of '09, for the most part, they have been neck and neck, considering that THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, with Lebron being a facilitator, and Kobe being the finisher.

But ow does the Facilitator still outscore the Finisher?

And its always funny when people are quoting numbers and they say shyt like "I'll give you the FG%". No, you arent giving us shyt. That is a statistical fact whether you say so or not...

 

[Gotright]

so im watching jordan on nba tv n just remember that kobe or lebron will never be better close threads

 

[Gotright]

But ow does the Facilitator still outscore the Finisher?

thats a dam good question

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Lebron been the best player in the nba since 05-06 season when he put up 31 7 and 7 the next year he took a team full of straight up scrubs to the finals

People been hatin on this kid so long they haven't recognized his greatness

You realize that's the year Kobe averaged 35 points a game? not to mention Lebron had to average almost 43 minutes a game to get those stats ( second in the league ); Per 36 minutes Kobe still had the better statline that year. And not just going by stats, Kobe put on one of the most magnificent stretches of basketball played ever that season, dude was a threat for 40+ every night while still playing top notch defense with one of the worst teams assembled the last decade. Lebron was top 5 that year, but that year Kobe was flat out amazing and the best player in the league easy.

For the record, I'm not a Kobe stan.

 

[Jram]

Lebron went to a team with a guaranteed HOF and a perennial All Star to win his first ring. There's no discussion to be really had IMO. And for all this stat trouting you nikkaz is doing:
(rounded)
Kobe '04: 27, 6, 6 Bron '04: 27, 7, 7
Kobe '05: 35, 5, 5 Bron '05: 31, 7, 7
Kobe '06: 32, 5, 6 Bron '06: 27, 6, 7
Kobe '07: 28, 5, 6 Bron '07: 30, 7, 8
Kobe '08: 27, 5, 5 Bron '08: 28, 7, 8
Kobe '09: 27, 5, 5 Bron '09: 30, 9, 7
Kobe '10: 25, 5, 5 Bron '10: 27, 7, 8
Kobe '11: 28, 5, 5 Bron '11: 27, 6, 8

Outside of '09, for the most part, they have been neck and neck, considering that THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, with Lebron being a facilitator, and Kobe being the finisher. I give the FG% wars to Lebron (but barely because Kobe takes 1 more 3PT shot per game than Lebron, and is at 45% on 20 shots per game, while Lebron is at 48% on 20 shots per game, you take away the 1 3PT shot, their FG% since '05 is not that much different), but his lack of a jumpshot has definitely hurt his teams at times. But I don't get all that Lebron has been clearly the best player since '05 talk.

Since '05
Kobe- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 7 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 3 ASG MVP, 2 scoring titles, 2 finals appearances, 2 finals MVP, 2 championships

Bron- 7 NBA 1st Teams, 4 NBA Defensive 1st Teams, 7 ASGs, 2 ASG MVP, 1 scoring title, 2 finals appearances, 1 finals MVP, 1 championship

^^^How has Lebron been obviously the best player? And this is just on paper. This doesn't include the fact that Kobe plays IN THE WEST, the clutchness, the fact that his play basically saved Team USA in the last Olympics (where was the supposed best player in the L? ), the fact that Lebron handles the ball on virtually every play, I could go on and on. And remember, Kobe played last year injured! Please stop with all this nonsense.

You listing point, assist and rebound averages alone without taking into account how they scored them is really, really misleading. For the career, LeBron laps Kobe in PER, TS%, eFG% and FG%. Those all take into account ft shooting, fg shooting and 3pt shooting more accurately than you saying 'take away a 3 pt shot and theire FG% is not much different'.

Kobe's decision to take more 3's and LeBron's decision to take more shots in the paint isn't just as simple as 'If we take away that 3 point attempt than it's close...'. NO. That's why Lebron is so much more efficient, because his shot selection is better.

Besides that, all of your point are even more faulty and misleading.

A) Saves team USA in the Olympics is taking the final quarter of the final game and ignoring the totality of the Olympics and what it took to get there.

B) All Star game MVP's aren't notable trophy's. It's a meaningless exhibiton game. And saying they have the same amount of All star game selections is very broad and has nothing to do with the individual comparison. Bosh and Melo have those All star games in the same span too.

C) Clutchness. Don't start. Over the course of his career LeBron has comparable percentages in the last five minutes of close games and they have both proven they can lead teams to titles.

D) LeBron went to a team with a guaranteed HOF and perennial All star. that is true. But Kobe demanded a trade shortly after he didn't have the most dominant player of his generation, and then calmed down after he got Gasol, Bynum and Odom. Players historically do what they can to put themselves in a winning situation and the ones who don't leave never had to, for the most part.

E) Comparing titles isn't fair. It's a team game.

I would have understood your point more if you painted a complete picture of them and compared them individually by taking efficiency into account to gowith the averages.

But you subjectively said 'if we take away a 3 its not that different', which is a fictional hypothetical, and then counted awards without context (All star games, 1st teams) and the unprovable intangible part.