We Are Going To Start a Dialogue About Zion Lateef Williamson

[The War Report]

That has to be the slowest pull up three ever.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

The utter shamelessness of this when you never showed up after last game. Accusing me of behavior you're guilty of.



To that point, I bumped ths thread and made a number of posts after he scored 30 points in the first game against GS, so please tell me how I'm not showing up when you think the narrative goes the other way?

Where were you last game? What gives you the right to pop up now and talk shyt when you went missing last game? You just so conveniently show up in this thread the moment you think he had a good game.

Regardless of all that, as I told you years ago - it's about the bigger picture.

There's no "both sides" to this when he hasn't proven shyt. You think some meaningless regular season game where he's allowed to get want he wants inside means anything? It's about the bigger picture, not about the odd occassion where you think he has a good game where you can stick out your chest. What do you think that proves? You just going to keep hyping up regular season games for the rest of his days in the league?

You think the two good performances this season somehow holds greater weight than the three other games he's performed poorly? He should be stringing 10-20 great games together and not being hindered by his absence of a jump. That's what superstars do.

Whatever you think he does in the regular season is all inconsequential, anyway. He's in year five. There's no more excuses. He has to be dominant in the playoffs, playing like a superstar like all y'all tried to crown him as. Until he proves that than all y'all stans need to fall back.

How about the 90% of games he's played in his career where he dominated or played well.

Wtf type of sense does it make to say some shyt like "you ignored the 2 bad games for the 2 good games"

As if the nikka whole career has not been good games every fukkin night .


The "odd occasion" where he has a good game .


A good game is an "odd occasion" for a nikka who has shot over 50% damn near every game of his career. Over 75% more times than under 40%.

At what point in the last 6 years has New Orleans had to deal with Zion underperforming?

 

[CantStop]

@Gil Scott-Heroin came back from a year hiatus only to get jumped by zion and jalen green stans

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Regardless of all that, as I told you years ago - it's about the bigger picture.

There's no "both sides" to this when he hasn't proven shyt. You think some meaningless regular season game where he's allowed to get want he wants inside means anything? It's about the bigger picture, not about the odd occassion where you think he has a good game where you can stick out your chest. What do you think that proves? You just going to keep hyping up regular season games for the rest of his days in the league?

You think the two good performances this season somehow holds greater weight than the three other games he's performed poorly? He should be stringing 10-20 great games together and not being hindered by his absence of a jump. That's what superstars do.

Whatever you think he does in the regular season is all inconsequential, anyway. He's in year five. There's no more excuses. He has to be dominant in the playoffs, playing like a superstar like all y'all tried to crown him as. Until he proves that than all y'all stans need to fall back.

So........ For his whole career WHERE HE NEVER HAS BAD GAMES, it's about the bigger picture.

Yet EVERY SINGLE TIME HE HAS A SINGLE BAD GAME, YOU BUMP A THREAD OR MAJE A THREAD AND THAT CURRENT GAME BECOMES THE PICTURE .

You know I don't deal with nikkas arguing in bad faith. Its nothing more than bad faith to say "the occasional good game" when you are speaking on a nikka that ALWAYS dominates.

Anthony Edwards has shot under 40% 40+ times in his career. Zion has done this 8 times .

It's absolute bullshyt and you should just stay out of the conversation because no matter how many 3's he hits, you will say he cant shoot. No matter how much he dominates the paint, you will say he needs to shoot jumpers. He shoots jumpers you will talk about an athletic decline. He finishes at 100% with his left hand you will focus on the 60%witg the right hand.

You are gone move the goal post every time because you are arguing in afaith and you will avoid all conversation about the nikka until he has another bad game.

 

[BigTyme Records]

OP make one about Halliburton. His fall off is crazy. Or maybe he was never that good to begin with lol

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So........ For his whole career WHERE HE NEVER HAS BAD GAMES, it's about the bigger picture.

Nxgga, he hasn't done shyt.

He hasn't even played one playoff game.

He hasn't stayed healthy long enough nor has he produced in a playoff environment to make an impression that he is a solidified superstar. He's not in the conversation for a top-10 player. When folks speak about the best players in the game, his name isn't mentioned. He has no All-NBA selections, not been on any MVP ballots and he's now in his 5th year.

This cat was supposed to be the next Bron, the face of the league, the next generational superstar, but is merely an afterthought when talking about the megastars today.

I couldn't care less how much weight you put into these meaningless regular season games, when this is about what he can do in the playoffs and what he can prove as a #1 option, when his skillset, ability and mental fortitude are put under the ultimate pressure.

That is the bigger picture.

Yet EVERY SINGLE TIME HE HAS A SINGLE BAD GAME, YOU BUMP A THREAD OR MAJE A THREAD AND THAT CURRENT GAME BECOMES THE PICTURE .

This is factually false. I do not do it every single he has a bad game.

But to that point -

It's not necessarily about him having a bad game, in a vacuum, it's about why he's having a bad game. The best of the best have bad games all the cotdamn time, but if they're already proven, than those bad games are rather inconsequential. When Zion has bad games, it's because when his main source of offense is taken away from him, he has nothing else. What do you think is going to happen when he eventually has to win playoff games, when teams actually gameplan for him and the holes in his game become glaringly obvious to those who're in denial before?

The ironic thing here is, if he tried years ago to expand his game and had bad performances, I wouldn't be saying shyt, because he'd actually be going down the direction of correcting his bad habits and his skillset so he could reach his ceiling. Which is the point I've been trying to emphasize all along. Because he's not going to have real success with the way he plays now. The only players whom can have that kind of success by operating almost entirely in the paint are big men; players whom tower over the rest of the league, and not wing-sized players like Zion.

Would Bron have reached his ceiling and become who he is today by just spamming shots in the paint for 99% of the game?

Of course, he wouldn't have.

He would've hit a dead-end long ago. He would've been forced to change his game.

What makes Zion any different? You think he can win championships as the main guy playing that way?

You know I don't deal with nikkas arguing in bad faith. Its nothing more than bad faith to say "the occasional good game" when you are speaking on a nikka that ALWAYS dominates.

You've argued in bad faith every single step of the way. You've lied incessantly about his capabilities and feats. You've exaggerrated every single thing you possibly could to make him appear better than he actually is.

You're literally doing it right now.

Whereas I've been upfront with my projection of him from the start. I haven't tried to embellish anything and I've held him to the same standard of the expectations put upon him and the standard of how I judge #1 option championship players.

Anthony Edwards has shot under 40% 40+ times in his career. Zion has done this 8 times .

This is what you call arguing in bad faith.

For starters, you don't use FG% as a measurement for two players who take different types of shots. It doesn't take into account proper efficiency because of 3-pt shots and jumpshots, in general. It'd be like trying to prove a point that Gobert has a better FG% than SGA and therefore is a better player because of it.

It's absolute bullshyt and you should just stay out of the conversation...

The only one who should stay out of the conversation is you.

You're completely incapable of talking about him in an objective manner because you crashed out long ago and put all your chips in on him. You have no choice but to twist and manipulate everything you can in his favor, because admitting you're wrong about him is no longer an option. You have to fight to death on that lie. You're going to run the same damn bullshyt next season after he doesn't do shyt in the playoffs this year (that's if he even makes it).

It'll be Year 6 for him where he hasn't done shyt and you'll be regurgitating the same damn thing about his game.

When the truth is, this style of play he has, is not going to age well, because his body will not be able to withstand it. He's not going to be able to do this when he hits his 30s and anchor a championship-contending team. Realistically, whatever you think he's capable of in his current state is going to need to start happening this year (making an extensive playoff run), otherwise, he's going to head into the next season's playoffs approaching his mid-to-late 20s and you're going to be counting on a finite window for him to prove whatever player you think he is.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What's going to be the excuse used by Zion stans if he either doesn't make the playoffs (yet again) or doesn't win an appropriate amount of games in the playoffs? How long are y'all going to keep using the same damn excuses for him until he actually proves something of worth?

Y'all just going to keep talking about his potential? Y'all just going to keep talking about bu-bu-but he dominates regular season games.

When are y'all going to start holding him to a standard of making and winning in the playoffs?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Bron had already made a Finals run before Year 5, whereas Zion hasn't even played ONE playoff game (let alone win a game).

Yet Zion stans are trying to convince us he's proven his detractors wrong. Yet Zion stans are trying to convince us he's proven something.

The very epitome of delusion.

 

[Mashal88]

Zion's issue is availability. He's able to score against anyone regardless of size. He could improve his efficiency a couple points on his shots 3-10 feet(40% career) and maybe sparingly add some more midrange shots. I don't know if I ever expect him to be an 80% ft shooter but 75 would be fine, especially with the amount of attempts he gets. Otherwise, he's improved his playmaking and defense and he's an unselfish high iq player. He just needs to take his conditioning and diet seriously so he can stay on the court.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Nxgga, he hasn't done shyt.

He hasn't even played one playoff game.

He hasn't stayed healthy long enough nor has he produced in a playoff environment to make an impression that he is a solidified superstar. He's not in the conversation for a top-10 player. When folks speak about the best players in the game, his name isn't mentioned. He has no All-NBA selections, not been on any MVP ballots and he's now in his 5th year.

This cat was supposed to be the next Bron, the face of the league, the next generational superstar, but is merely an afterthought when talking about the megastars today.

I couldn't care less how much weight you put into these meaningless regular season games, when this is about what he can do in the playoffs and what he can prove as a #1 option, when his skillset, ability and mental fortitude are put under the ultimate pressure.

That is the bigger picture.

This is factually false. I do not do it every single he has a bad game.

But to that point -

It's not necessarily about him having a bad game, in a vacuum, it's about why he's having a bad game. The best of the best have bad games all the cotdamn time, but if they're already proven, than those bad games are rather inconsequential. When Zion has bad games, it's because when his main source of offense is taken away from him, he has nothing else. What do you think is going to happen when he eventually has to win playoff games, when teams actually gameplan for him and the holes in his game become glaringly obvious to those who're in denial before?

The ironic thing here is, if he tried years ago to expand his game and had bad performances, I wouldn't be saying shyt, because he'd actually be going down the direction of correcting his bad habits and his skillset so he could reach his ceiling. Which is the point I've been trying to emphasize all along. Because he's not going to have real success with the way he plays now. The only players whom can have that kind of success by operating almost entirely in the paint are big men; players whom tower over the rest of the league, and not wing-sized players like Zion.

Would Bron have reached his ceiling and become who he is today by just spamming shots in the paint for 99% of the game?

Of course, he wouldn't have.

He would've hit a dead-end long ago. He would've been forced to change his game.

What makes Zion any different? You think he can win championships as the main guy playing that way?

You've argued in bad faith every single step of the way. You've lied incessantly about his capabilities and feats. You've exaggerrated every single thing you possibly could to make him appear better than he actually is.

You're literally doing it right now.

Whereas I've been upfront with my projection of him from the start. I haven't tried to embellish anything and I've held him to the same standard of the expectations put upon him and the standard of how I judge #1 option championship players.

This is what you call arguing in bad faith.

For starters, you don't use FG% as a measurement for two players who take different types of shots. It doesn't take into account proper efficiency because of 3-pt shots and jumpshots, in general. It'd be like trying to prove a point that Gobert has a better FG% than SGA and therefore is a better player because of it.

The only one who should stay out of the conversation is you.

You're completely incapable of talking about him in an objective manner because you crashed out long ago and put all your chips in on him. You have no choice but to twist and manipulate everything you can in his favor, because admitting you're wrong about him is no longer an option. You have to fight to death on that lie. You're going to run the same damn bullshyt next season after he doesn't do shyt in the playoffs this year (that's if he even makes it).

It'll be Year 6 for him where he hasn't done shyt and you'll be regurgitating the same damn thing about his game.

When the truth is, this style of play he has, is not going to age well, because his body will not be able to withstand it. He's not going to be able to do this when he hits his 30s and anchor a championship-contending team. Realistically, whatever you think he's capable of in his current state is going to need to start happening this year (making an extensive playoff run), otherwise, he's going to head into the next season's playoffs approaching his mid-to-late 20s and you're going to be counting on a finite window for him to prove whatever player you think he is.

nikka I said he's fat and slow. You are just a bytch ass nikka that has doubled down on ever giving credit to anybody you already deemed a certain way.

bytch nikka shyt. But keep doing yo thing famnim not about to argue about this shyt. Yea, he needs to shoot more. Im capable of seeing both sides of a conversation.

fukk out my face nikka.

Bet money you disappear when these types of games continue. Do you though fam. Talk to these other nikkas.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Bron had already made a Finals run before Year 5, whereas Zion hasn't even played ONE playoff game (let alone win a game).

Yet Zion stans are trying to convince us he's proven his detractors wrong. Yet Zion stans are trying to convince us he's proven something.

The very epitome of delusion.

WHO THE fukk SAID HES PROVEN ANYTHING?

Everything I'm saying is based on facts that actually happened, you are in your feelings about the nikka for whatever reason and nothing matters that actually happens. You said he'd struggle to score in college, clowned yourself.

Said he'd be lucky to average 16ppg as a rookie, he averaged 23 in 28 minutes, on to the next goal post.

Crazy part is your talk has absolutely nothing to do with the actual facts, like injuries and roster and coach. Those things matter in every single conversation you have about other players, in this case it's irrelevant. Sucka nikka shyt and agenda driven bullshyt.

Its an actual fact that he's a dominant player EVERY night. It's a fact. Not a made up opinion or something that's just a biased take, he's a dominant player, AS IS.

Nobody is talking about 5 years from now or any of that shyt, only you because you need an angle to hate on some shyt. Everyone knows he needs to shoot more, and every nikka in here that's not looking for a reason to hate has seen him make jumpers from mid and 3 all thru his career. This is a fact. It's an actual fact that he has made those shots before. It's a fact that it looks smooth when he shoots them.

ITS YOUR OPINION THAT HE NEEDS TO SHOOT A LOT. ITS YOUR OPINION THAT HE CANT SHOOT.

It's living in a bytch nikka reality when you see a dude make shots 35-40% of the time and barely ever attempt them, then come off saying it's impossible for this person to ever do this thing, it's impossible for this person to ever be as good as others without this thing.

That's an opinion my mans. A weak ass one that you have ran from when you were proven wrong in years past.

We are all aware that that nikka gets out of shape, ain't been taking b ball serious, is a freaky ass nikka, let's his lame ass uncle run the show.

I'm just capable of having an honest conversation about nikkas who I rock with or don't rock with.

Now stop talking to me my mans I'm starting to get mad again and I'll start to clown you every time I post again. Im good on that future.

 

[Art Barr]

Zion actually got clamps put on by Draymond tonight

My nikka.
My nikka.

My nikka whut.

Zion destroyed draymond.

Zion does need to develop more of a game from distance. He actually has a nice initial motion, it can be refined.

Zion played pg and is money from the field.
The issue is.
Their coach is a moron and zion is from sc. Who for some odd reason. Are enamored with Duke and have no idea. You will hurt yourself going to Duke in some form or fashion. Either their negligence or some intangible. In zion case. Zion got injured from those old ass pg's.
Since then the inevitable bad decision to go to Duke has plagued zion via injury. The only drawback I said would hurt zion.
Was going to Duke. As that is why zion has not played an 82 game season.
Plus zion should have still sued nike. Then still signed with Nike and jordan brand too. As they would be forced to fix zion's shoes. Like they did for mike.

Instead...the south Carolina c00n love for Duke. Is why zion is stuck in these issues.
Zion should have went to some small school. Instead of trying to upstate cam and tha Canadian transplant.

I feel him on going into the fye to prove you are the best. Yet he should have gone to a school. To build himself and that school up. Instead of making rhe one mistake you never rmakem. Which is go to Duke. As Duke is gonna ruin sumfin. Some variable as a pro. In zion case it was an injury from their complete swagless nike endorsement. That lead to them old ass pg's being issued to zion. That got warped in a utility closet somewhere. Then given to zion. When no place that values a black asset would do that. Yet racist ass Duke gon Duke and ruined zion.
on some fukk that nikka shyt duke is on.

Gave that boi dem old ass warped ass pg's.

It was only a matter of time before Duke gon Duke.

Cause by black or white south Carolina people.
I noticed like.
to endorse the wrong shyt in general.
from white supremacy to being a cluck.

Till it comes to destroy them and they still will not fix shyt. As they think slavery is going to come back. Where they place us back in stock and bond us as reslaved black people to do it.


This a knowledge of self lacking zone. I do not mesh with this udc meets slavery in the air bullshyt.
down here at all.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

WHO THE fukk SAID HES PROVEN ANYTHING?

Everything I'm saying is based on facts that actually happened, you are in your feelings about the nikka for whatever reason and nothing matters that actually happens. You said he'd struggle to score in college, clowned yourself.

Said he'd be lucky to average 16ppg as a rookie, he averaged 23 in 28 minutes, on to the next goal post.

Crazy part is your talk has absolutely nothing to do with the actual facts, like injuries and roster and coach. Those things matter in every single conversation you have about other players, in this case it's irrelevant. Sucka nikka shyt and agenda driven bullshyt.

Its an actual fact that he's a dominant player EVERY night. It's a fact. Not a made up opinion or something that's just a biased take, he's a dominant player, AS IS.

Nobody is talking about 5 years from now or any of that shyt, only you because you need an angle to hate on some shyt. Everyone knows he needs to shoot more, and every nikka in here that's not looking for a reason to hate has seen him make jumpers from mid and 3 all thru his career. This is a fact. It's an actual fact that he has made those shots before. It's a fact that it looks smooth when he shoots them.

ITS YOUR OPINION THAT HE NEEDS TO SHOOT A LOT. ITS YOUR OPINION THAT HE CANT SHOOT.

It's living in a bytch nikka reality when you see a dude make shots 35-40% of the time and barely ever attempt them, then come off saying it's impossible for this person to ever do this thing, it's impossible for this person to ever be as good as others without this thing.

That's an opinion my mans. A weak ass one that you have ran from when you were proven wrong in years past.

We are all aware that that nikka gets out of shape, ain't been taking b ball serious, is a freaky ass nikka, let's his lame ass uncle run the show.

I'm just capable of having an honest conversation about nikkas who I rock with or don't rock with.

Now stop talking to me my mans I'm starting to get mad again and I'll start to clown you every time I post again. Im good on that future.

Killed'eem.

Watch him run.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Coach Willie Green HATED Jonas Valencunis. I have no idea why

It was crazy. Green has no idea about high percentage winning basketball. Nor does he show any wherewithal about physiology and how it plays to the domestic game as well.

Which is alarming. As green is black. So it makes me wonder where is dude from. That he coaches and thinks like a white boi.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

@Gil Scott-Heroin

We running you dead outta yo thread again. Plus ain't shyt you can do or say. As you can not dispute a fact.
Plus you have no facts in your favor. Nor timeline analysis of zion from any level to aid you.

Run along lil boi ass nikka.


Art Barr