"we are not meant to be monogamous" agree or disagree

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A polygamist society is a society that allows legal polygamy or polygamy is decriminalized.

Which doesn't make it the norm in the society it is legalized in, breh. And we will just have to agree to disagree on the common man being in polygamist relationships as a norm across the world.....I'm fairly well studied on the global south and its mostly men of means or societies out in the bush where you see it occurring.
 

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Biologically.....you are wrong. We are monogamous as an evolutionary adaptation. Obviously there is no one rule of behavior that fits billions of people.
Elaborate por favor
 

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love changes that, shame most of yall dnt truly experience it :wow:
 

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Elaborate por favor

sums it up

Monogamy is the most advantageous evolutionary position for human beings because males know who their children are. Males knowing who their children are, are pressured to take care of their children and the women. Child bearing for human beings is a very dangerous process due to us being more advanced than other animals, so an attentive male can help ensure the survival of the woman and a child.
 

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Those who know they can't be/have no intentions of being monogamous should stop pursuing/being in relationships/marrying folks who can be/want a monogamous relationship/relationship. That's a start.

The thing is a lot of people "think" they can be in a monogamous relationship and faithful until they can't and that's when it's too late. :francis:
Some of us realize that people change and what strong convictions you hold today can easily be arbitrary tomorrow.
 

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Monogamy is the most advantageous evolutionary position for human beings because males know who their children are. Males knowing who their children are, are pressured to take care of their children and the women. Child bearing for human beings is a very dangerous process due to us being more advanced than other animals, so an attentive male can help ensure the survival of the woman and a child.

This is only true if you handcuff monogamy with child bearing.

And it's always been a stretch to make that connection as it is.

That said, I'm willing to grant that sex was, to a larger degree, mainly for procreation for a long time in human history.

That the sexual revolution in recent times has shifted thinking of sex now as primarily an act for pleasure and less for reproduction, you could then argue that the basis of monogamy = child bearing & protection has a lot less to stand on.

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This is only true if you handcuff monogamy with child bearing.

and disease. i think the new idea is that STIs even more so than child-bearing and raising was the number one driver among our primate ancestors to pair off.

That the sexual revolution in recent times has shifted thinking of sex now as primarily an act for pleasure and less for reproduction, you could then argue that the basis of monogamy = child bearing & protection has a lot less to stand on.

Ehhh even now you can turn on the news and find infinite instances of some woman bringing a strange man around their kids and it leading to murder or molestation. There are still implicit incentives being reinforced for the behavior.
 

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Nobody cares if you don't want to be monogamous.

People care about deception.

Keep it real with your partners/potential partners, and do your thing.
 

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Which doesn't make it the norm in the society it is legalized in, breh. And we will just have to agree to disagree on the common man being in polygamist relationships as a norm across the world.....I'm fairly well studied on the global south and its mostly men of means or societies out in the bush where you see it occurring.

I didn't say it is was the norm, I am saying it is something that is accepted. It's not an oddity. It is not frowned upon and it is legal or decriminalized. And mating and marriage is fluid and practices in real life don't meet the ideal.

Human being mating patterns and preference don't meet the scientific ideal anyway. We, in the west, would like to consider ourselves strict monogamous, but we are mostly not, it is not 1950s anymore. This isn't due to increased sexual promiscuity either. We just have an easier time breaking up now.

And what I mean by polygamist society take the President of South Africa, Jacob Zuma has multiple wives. He has 4 wives and 20 kids.

If President Obama was found out to have 4 wives and 20 kids and he hides them all over the place. It would be a fukking scandal, they ask for him to step down, all types of shyt.

There are dusty ass nikkas with 3 baby mommas, and you making it seem to be a polygamist in in Africa or the Middle East would be a major burden. The main goal of a polygamist man is to have as many children as possible and to fukk as many women as possible. Only reason he marries the woman to make sure the kids are his.

We practice unofficial, unsanctioned forms of polygamy right here, with dudes having 3 different households all the time. Chicks with 3 different baby daddies. And we look down upon that type of behavior too, here in the West, because we are monogamists by belief. In Africa or the Middle East, and some parts of South Asia, that would be cool.

Poor people have more children and more sexual partners. Sexual frigidity and low fertility is a 1st world thing.

Most of these countries are Muslim countries, the max number wives you can get under Islam is 4.

We don't have the actual numbers regarding people and their relationship practices what types of relationships they are in, what we have is behaviors due to surveys and anthropological observation and legislation.

We do not know how many men have more than one wife, we do not know how many men who do not have more than one wife, but aspire to have more than one wife.

We would never know the numbers regarding polygamy, but we know the majority of human societies is legally recognize polygamous relationships...while the minority does not and outright bans them.
 
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I didn't say it is was the norm, I am saying it is something that is accepted. It's not an oddity. It is not frowned upon and it is legal or decriminalized. And mating and marriage is fluid and practices in real life don't meet the ideal.

Human being mating patterns and preference don't meet the scientific ideal anyway. We, in the west, would like to consider ourselves strict monogamous, but we are mostly not, it is not 1950s anymore. This isn't due to increased sexual promiscuity either. We just have an easier time breaking up now.

And what I mean by polygamist society take the President of South Africa, Jacob Zuma has multiple wives. He has 4 wives and 20 kids.

If President Obama was found out to have 4 wives and 20 kids and he hides them all over the place. It would be a fukking scandal, they ask for him to step down, all types of shyt.

There are dusty ass nikkas with 3 baby mommas, and you making it seem to be a polygamist in in Africa or the Middle East would be a major burden. The main goal of a polygamist man is to have as many children as possible and to fukk as many women as possible. Only reason he marries the woman to make sure the kids are his.

We practice unofficial, unsanctioned forms of polygamy right here, with dudes having 3 different households all the time. Chicks with 3 different baby daddies. And we look down upon that type of behavior too, here in the West, because we are monogamists by belief. In Africa or the Middle East, and some parts of South Asia, that would be cool.

Poor people have more children and more sexual partners. Sexual frigidity and low fertility is a 1st world thing.

Most of these countries are Muslim countries, the max number wives you can get under Islam is 4.

We don't have the actual numbers regarding people and their relationship practices what types of relationships they are in, what we have is behaviors due to surveys and anthropological observation and legislation.

So we would never actually know for sure, but we know the majority of human societies is legally recognize polygamous relationships...while the minority does not and outright bans them.

What is deemed appropriate and what actually happening are two different things and you keep convoluting them. Who cares if people don't like something if it is still occurring? You have dudes like Brother Polight in America and Mormons in Utah who practice polygamy then you have plenty of monogamous couples in South Africa. Either you want to talk about the number of actual relationships that fall under a certain category or you want to talk about societal morals and ethics...but those are two different conversations. I still have yet to see anything to convince me that the majority of people in the world are in polygamist setups.
 
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