"We can't fight terrorism without resolute action against global warming"

[acri1]

I don't think there are any normal rational ppl arguing AGAINST climate change though.

To me that is just a lazy response ppl want to throw out at ppl that don't agree that taxing, or that aimlessly throwing money at the UN is going to solve the issues.


also, most ppl aren't denying the scientists that say that climate is change is happening, many ppl (scientists included) do however, have disagreements on how much impact humans have on climate change.


now, the message the UN and these "elites" are throwing out there is that giving them our money will solve climate change.
they aren't providing REAL solutions, nor are they demonstrating these behaviors in their own lives/countries, etc.


this Paris Accord is garbage, and just a (another) way to suck money out of countries, and tax payers in rich countries to feed more corruption. It doesn't change anything.

Who at the UN is asking for money? There's no tax paid to the UN to fight climate change. That's not even what the Paris accord is about, it's about coming up with plans to meet emissions goals.

Yall are so hilariously misinformed on this that it's just sad. I'm done though...if you think the Paris Accord is a tax paid to the UN then you're so irrational as to be beyond hope.

 

[kevm3]

Who at the UN is asking for money? There's no tax paid to the UN to fight climate change. That's not even what the Paris accord is about, it's about coming up with plans to meet emissions goals.

Yall are so hilariously misinformed on this that it's just said. I'm done though...if you think the Paris Accord is a tax paid to the UN then you're beyond hope.

What it is NOW isn't what it will become. There is this thing called gradualism where you introduce things in minor, 'acceptable' increments that people normally wouldn't accept wholly.

What’s a carbon tax?

A carbon tax is a fee imposed on the burning of carbon-based fuels (coal, oil, gas). More to the point: a carbon tax is the core policy for reducing and eventually eliminating the use of fossil fuels whose combustion is destabilizing and destroying our climate.

A carbon tax is a way — the only way — to make users of carbon fuels pay for the climate damage caused by releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. If set high enough, it becomes a powerful monetary disincentive that motivates switches to clean energy across the economy, simply by making it more economically rewarding to move to non-carbon fuels and energy efficiency.

But apparently I'm making up 'conspiracy theories'. They are doing it on a small scale, but they will eventually make this a centralized, global policy.

 

[Maschine_Man]

did you miss the part where I said "normal, RATIONAL" people....or are we just gonna play the smilie game?

 

[JahFocus CS]

I don't think anyone will say that capitalism is a perfect way to run a society, but it sure is the best option that we have.

No, it isn't. And you don't even understand why capitalism and socialism are so

 

[Black Panther]

did you miss the part where I said "normal, RATIONAL" people....or are we just gonna play the smilie game?

I think it's disingenuous to label those who don't believe in climate change as abnormal or unreasonable.

I certainly believe in climate change, but I know a lot of people who don't, and they're mostly just ignorant of the info.

 

[acri1]

What it is NOW isn't what it will become. There is this thing called gradualism where you introduce things in minor, 'acceptable' increments that people normally wouldn't accept wholly.

What’s a carbon tax?


But apparently I'm making up 'conspiracy theories'. They are doing it on a small scale, but they will eventually make this a centralized, global policy.

This is bullshyt.

There's no "global" policy that "they" will implement, the UN has never had the power to impose taxes on countries. That's not how it works. Carbon taxes have always been voluntarily implemented by individual countries governments just like any other taxes and the revenue would go back to the individual countries just like any other tax, not to the UN.


So yeah, you're making up conspiracy theories that Alex Jones would be proud of. It's pretty telling that nobody ever has anything to say about the actual science and only want to talk about "elites" and imaginary taxes.

 

[Don Homer]

you can't fight terrorism if you are currently aiding and funding terrorist regimes.

 

[kevm3]

lol@voluntary... who is volunteering? Is this the will of the actual people or is this something being slipped in by paid-off political shills? Obviously it's 'voluntary' for now until there is enough political backing to make it mandatory. You really think countries are choosing to implement this in complete isolation or are they meeting with other political leaders across the globe and pushing this forward?

Carbon Pricing Becomes a Cause for the World Bank and I.M.F.
UN, IMF, and the World Bank are some of the institutions who have global reach who are pushing for us to implement this carbon tax.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Who at the UN is asking for money? There's no tax paid to the UN to fight climate change. That's not even what the Paris accord is about, it's about coming up with plans to meet emissions goals.

Yall are so hilariously misinformed on this that it's just sad. I'm done though...if you think the Paris Accord is a tax paid to the UN then you're so irrational as to be beyond hope.

lots of talk from someone that doesn't appear to know what is going on.

there are more than one issue at stake here.

The taxes, such as carbon taxes will be initiated by our governments that have agreed, this is issue number 1. Raising taxes on citizens based on their carbon emissions.

Secondly, the Green Climate Fund (UN organization). Which takes money from rich countries and distributes to poorer countries. This is a UN organization that will

The agreement made to give 100 billion a year to support "climate finance" in developing countries.

 

[Maschine_Man]

No, it isn't. And you don't even understand why capitalism and socialism are so

so then......explain it.

 

[Maschine_Man]

I think it's disingenuous to label those who don't believe in climate change as abnormal or unreasonable.

I certainly believe in climate change, but I know a lot of people who don't, and they're mostly just ignorant of the info.

ignorance is acceptable until all the facts are on the table. once they are you can't claim ignorance anymore. which leads to my "rational" person argument.

I'll accept someone holding a position, however once the facts are laid out, and they clearly show something contrary to their original position, they are no longer showing rationale by maintaining that original position.

 

[acri1]

lots of talk from someone that doesn't appear to know what is going on.

there are more than one issue at stake here.

The taxes, such as carbon taxes will be initiated by our governments that have agreed, this is issue number 1. Raising taxes on citizens based on their carbon emissions.

Secondly, the Green Climate Fund (UN organization). Which takes money from rich countries and distributes to poorer countries. This is a UN organization that will

The agreement made to give 100 billion a year to support "climate finance" in developing countries.

1. So? There are taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, certain types of financial transactions, property, and all kinds of other things. But I guess a carbon tax is more evil than any other type of tax because of your political ideology?


2. So? No countries are forced to be involved. Choosing to do something that may help poorer countries is bad now?

 

[acri1]

lol@voluntary... who is volunteering? Is this the will of the actual people or is this something being slipped in by paid-off political shills? Obviously it's 'voluntary' for now until there is enough political backing to make it mandatory. You really think countries are choosing to implement this in complete isolation or are they meeting with other political leaders across the globe and pushing this forward?

Carbon Pricing Becomes a Cause for the World Bank and I.M.F.
UN, IMF, and the World Bank are some of the institutions who have global reach who are pushing for us to implement this carbon tax.

So the governments of different countries aren't allowed to meet and agree on a policy they think is mutually beneficial now?

Yall are a joke.

 

[Maschine_Man]

1. So? There are taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, certain types of financial transactions, property, and all kinds of other things. But I guess a carbon tax is more evil than any other type of tax because of your political ideology?


2. So? No countries are forced to be involved. Choosing to do something that may help poorer countries is bad now?

1 - you have a choice to purchase those things. a carbon tax that affects the things you buy, your heating bill, etc. are all things that you don't have a control or choice over.

2 - Helping poorer countries is not the issue, but if 90% of all emissions are coming from the rich countries, then that money should be going to help with initiatives to stop climate change in those countries.

 

[JahFocus CS]

so then......explain it.

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