We Old Heads are the same as '85 Old Heads. "Rap is Crap"

[MouseTeeth]

Every generation only likes the rap they grew up on then once the tide changes they move on n become bitter it's nothing new...these milennials will understand one day but at the thought of future records being the good ol days 20 yrs from now

 

[DrX]

Naw music suck...most young ppl even say it...its all manufactured

 

[jwonder]

Those who say a genre of rap is dead and attacks others for listening to a certain genre are flat out ignorant. I fukk with everything, all the way from the Melle Mels and Kool Moe Dees to the Joey Badasses, J.Coles, and even the Drill music cats. It's always good to try and open your minds, and have variety y'all.

You are most likely not older then. I can really appreciate rap because I grew up in the era when it was great. The shyt now is just industry garbage. Most of the shyt sounds the same. Lyric content doesn't exist at all.

You can't go from Kool G Rap to 2 Pac, and appreciate an illiterate bum like Future. It don't work like that.

 

[TrebleMan]

The thing is, even the R&B mainstream cats in the 90's/early 2000's used to say the same thing: "I'm trying to bring that Stevie Wonder sound back, to those days of real R&B!"

There have always been young people have always complained about the current sound too, just like there are cats who enjoy their current generation's sound.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[hex]

You're too old for rap. Its not an old mans genre.

It's the definition of an old man's genre. It's been around close to 40 years.

The current hottest rappers are damn near 30 (Drake, Kendrick) or over 30 (Future). Some, like Ross, are even older than me.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Future is 31 and you are not the authority on what's good in HipHop are waists acceptable

You are an old white men. This stuff was not made with you in mind and you will never truly feel black sensibilities

The OP is 100% right

Breh at some point, hopefully in the near future, you're going to have to reconcile with the fact that you're such a clown people would rather listen to me than you, no matter what color you are.

And I'm at a Drake stan of all people playing the race card. You sit in every thread parroting the same talking points as Naomi Zeichner from Fader vis a vie ghost writing and jacking songs.

So sit your

ass down somewhere.

Fred.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Breh at some point, hopefully in the near future, you're going to have to reconcile with the fact that you're such a clown people would rather listen to me than you, no matter what color you are.

And I'm at a Drake stan of all people playing the race card. You sit in every thread parroting the same talking points as Naomi Zeichner from Fader vis a vie ghost writing and jacking songs.

So sit your

ass down somewhere.

Fred.

What are her talking points? I don't read Fader or any other music journalism.

I have my own opinions on music.

 

[Why-Fi]

You're talking about late 80's early 90's.

Once the 90's got going it didn't matter if the radio was fair. They're going to play who is hot.

So if....let's say BIG sold 4 mill....you're going to hear him on the radio. If Outkast sold 3 mill....if Pac sold 5 mill....if Wu sold 4 mill....Jay, Nas, whoever.

People (not you, I mean in general) have a hard time reconciling the fact that at one point you could actually be as lyrical as you want, and still receive radio play and mainstream coverage. Nowadays if it's on the radio or in the club there's almost a disclaimer like "well, this ain't meant to be taken seriously".

Anyway, to flat out say "the radio hasn't changed" is as hell. Like I said, play a Hot 97 mix from around let's say '96....and then compare it to the mix Flex threw on during that whole Drake reference track fiasco.

Fred.

the majority of the country isnt from new york. LL always got mainstream radio but they werent playing dear yvette. never heard krs on daytime radio. just like now kendrick is present but they not playing the art of peer pressure. big, unbelievable wasnt on no top 5 at 5. radio always played commercial shyt period. the raw shyt has always been corralled into a specialized show or not played at all. the shyt has never changed

 

[J-Fire]

wait hold on. you said you think todays producers are phenomenal and todays beats are so much more complex.

What beats are these my friend?

i'm not saying i havent heard any hot beats. i have. i'm saying i would never make that statement talking about this entire generation of hiphop beats. these beast are not creative at all. They for the most part are all the same. 90% o them are bootleg southern trap beats. the rest are bootleg drake beats. (which we now know are other people's type of songs that him and his producer steals/i mean borrows from).

there is literally NO innovation in these beats. Due to the internet and youtube, everyone now knows how to make that triplet high hat sound and the triplet snare sound, and how to go up and down the scales with the 808. and because everyone has to piggy back off of their favorite rapper. everyone has a beat up called "DRAKE TYPE BEAT", " so and so type beat."

this is a top hiphop song right now




That aint Special. You better be glad i dont have my OLD tapes. i said it, TAPES. when i first called myself making beats with a keyboard. i've made a beat that sounds just like this. simple melody and a beat. you know whats different in mines vs this one? They are using all the same drump loops that everyone uses today. even the rise effects are over used in every song. you hear those triplet highhats. haa haa. told you. that rise sound is from the original Fruity loops. i would know, i was messing with FL studio before it was called FL. it was originaly Fruity loops. was only designed for electronica music and techno. no one in the industry was using it back then. my homies use to try to clown me when i use to try out all the new software for hiphop production. but i told them. this is the wave of the future. i was right of course.

Half of the songs this gen falls in love with sounds like old too short songs from the late 80's. mixed with a 8 ball and MJG vibe. they just update the drum pattern to sound like everyones stuff out right now. thats literally it.

i mean its 2015 and we still hearing dudes using the "ay ay" sample of dudes saying it in the background to keep the beat going. that was being used in the early 2000's. they are using it still in 2015.

most of these beats are not ground breaking.

let me explain to you whats ground breaking.

WHEN THIS ISH DROPPED.. we were all like whoooaaaa. it was AT Aliens by outkast. yes the beat is simple and a sample. but the manner in which they filtered up the sample was not done before in hiphop. nothing sounded like that before that moment. and again go back and listen to the beat you hear those triplet snares. i told you thats OLD south. what you hear today aint new at all.

but guess what, back then no one was duplicating that beat/ or that outkast sound. its was too hard to duplicate.

now its easy to mimic another beat makers sound because odds are he's using the same melodies, keys, chords, drum loops, rise effect as everyone else. and they have youtube videos showing you how it was made and replicated. so you can copy it too. so this makes dudes think they're good at making music but they're not. they're good at making copied versions of something thats already hot.

i mean half of the Wu tang beats that dropped back when they were hot. were so different that no one could duplicate that style. no one was doing dr dre's style. and his style was forever changing up every time he dropped.

the only thing they do today is they sample a lot less and play the same melodies the last man played. so to keep more money in their pockets. but the beat still sounds like the last guys beat.

Everything gets cloned. Ever browsed games in the android app store? Successful games get cloned including ad free games to milk it for money. Like the android store there is so much content you have to follow a formula to get noticed before you can get your new creation apps out. Same thing going on with bloggers! Too much content so people latch onto any sound that catches a lot of peoples attention.

 

[J-Fire]

Nas had the co-signed of old and young heads of hip-hop. Biggie was considered best flow at his peak by all generations of hip hop listeners.

I was 10yrs old bumping biggie, PAC, snoop like the old heads. I didn't see the age gap until master p brought his wack stuff to the game & off beat silk the shocker.

 

[Free White & 21]

I see you young nikkas still tryna play dumb and say it's JUST a generational thing. "

the majority of the country isnt from new york. LL always got mainstream radio but they werent playing dear yvette. never heard krs on daytime radio. just like now kendrick is present but they not playing the art of peer pressure. big, unbelievable wasnt on no top 5 at 5. radio always played commercial shyt period. the raw shyt has always been corralled into a specialized show or not played at all. the shyt has never changed

So what RAW shyt is being corralled now?
Is there a mix going on anywhere on the radio where i can hear NEW SPITTERS?
This wasn't a problem in the 90's

 

[rapbeats]

Everything gets cloned. Ever browsed games in the android app store? Successful games get cloned including ad free games to milk it for money. Like the android store there is so much content you have to follow a formula to get noticed before you can get your new creation apps out. Same thing going on with bloggers! Too much content so people latch onto any sound that catches a lot of peoples attention.

oh i agree, this generation period lacks creativity as a group. now there are obviously some individuals being creative. which is the very very very small few that are creating the original thing that begins to trend. but that group should be a lot larger. especially in creative spaces (like games, like art, like music). i mean, if you going corporate and not being creative in those spaces. then whats the point in calling it art? lol. and no i'm not saying dont get your business side tight. i'm saying get your money but figure away to be creative while doing so. we know you'll be around a lot longer being more creative. even if you're not a HUGE rapper. You will be around doing shows well into your 40's. we've seen this time and time again. talib is still doing shows. The Roots are on TV because of they chose to do it their way for so long and someone road with them. people are watching you every move. if you're too afraid to be different(even slightly). they will notice, and they will rock with you for a hot moment and move you over for the next one shortly thereafter.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Nikkas get old and get disgruntled when they realize Hip Hop doesn't represent their ideologies, fashion, etc. anymore. It's like they don't acknowledge the fact that the world doesn't revolve around them and their generation. I hope I don't grow up to become one of you flabby n agitated nikkas

you and the rest of your ilk definitely will


just based off the fact of how hardbody bitter y'all going on about us "old heads" not acknowledging y'all wack, sub par shyt. as much as a certain demographic around these parts diss "old heads" and "purists" it's kinda hard not to come to the conclusion that y'all are a grillion times more insecure than you accuse us of being.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

I was born in the 70's. Started listening to rap around '84.

People who grew up on 80's hip-hop didn't reject 90's hip-hop. I have no idea how the rumor even started. It's especially nonsensical when you look at how many 90's rappers and producers have a direct lineage from 80's rappers and producers. From Jay and BDK, to Nas and Rakim....hell, even UGK were fans of Kool G Rap.

And nah, that's obviously not the premise of the thread if dude is talking about his parents criticized sampling. He's talking about us (old heads) criticizing new rap the same way our parents criticized our music. It's a false equivalency though because rap was a completely new genre to our parents. So they weren't splitting hairs about the quality of rap....in most cases they were rejecting it entirely.

Fred.

 

[Big Jo]

I had this epiphany recently too.

I don't like or even really understand OFWGKTA. But I fukked with Dip Set heavy in high school.

And it occurred to me that all those older dudes who felt Dip Set was trash and didn't "get" the appeal, well now 10 years later I'm one of them because OFWKTA ain't sh1t to me but the young kids love it.