Wealthy cacs in NYC rant against bringing more blacks into schools

[Rawtid]

Honestly I think some of y'all fail to grasp what "underperforming" actually means in the context of public education. It refers to statewide and district-wide standardized testing averages, not to GPAs. A student attending a school with very low average scores on state exams can literally maintain a 3.0-3.5 GPA and a flawless attendance record at the school and STILL be "underperforming" based on their state standardized test results.

Conversely, you can have the attendance record of Ferris Bueller and a sub 2.0 GPA in the bottom percentile of your class, but if you're going to school at a college preparatory institution or equivalently well funded public school then chances are you've been taught how to pass a state exam.

Being an underperforming student by state criteria has little to do with your academic standing let alone behavioral issues or a lack of discipline. It has far more to do with the severely low expectations reserved for low income students which are expressed through extremely reduced course-loads in "regular" classes, limited access to advanced classes, outdated textbooks, overcrowded classrooms, etc.

Y'all are busy conjuring images of "Dangerous Minds" in your heads when you hear the word underperforming but that is one small fraction of what constitutes "underperforming" by state standards. There are entire middle and high schools in Baltimore, Oakland, etc. where NO ONE scores "proficient" on state exams or even passes them at all. Do you honestly believe that every student in those schools is not applying themselves to their school work or could it simply be that the schools themselves are failing to challenge them...

I don't think under performing children are dumb at all, I just feel children who are at or above level should get opportunity to grow and advance their education as a priority. It shouldn't just be focused on under performing nor should you FORCE a school to accept the kids.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

be careful, you'll get negged around here for bashing liberals by the unemployed militants here lmao

"Militants"


Are you white?

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

I was a prosecutor straight out of Law school...

I went in thinking that I would change shyt...

I left after 5 years and the first time I saw someone snorting coke?

At a house event of one of my fellow ADAs.

I saw coke at a white suburban high school party in tx...being snorted by freshman girls.

 

[Mike Ock]

Harlem is the Blackest part, Washington Heights is all White Dominicans, regular ethnic cacs, and Orthodox Jews, leaning toward the former and the latter.
Harlem is what, like 60% Black now?

What are you talking about? Def not true about the all white Dominicans in the heights, and Harlem is def less than 60% black.

Anyway, regarding this topic, I think more so its the parents not wanting their kids school to become lower status based on the 25% being let in. Also, there are projects in the UWS right across the street from these nice private schools. Could be parents don't want their kids associated with kids in the projects. Unfortunately, projects residents are stereotyped by all races.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

I don't think under performing children are dumb at all, I just feel children who are at or above level should get opportunity to grow and advance their education as a priority. It shouldn't just be focused on under performing nor should you FORCE a school to accept the kids.

The point being made is that if you are an "above-level" student in a school where literally 95% of the students are "below level", the difference between that student and the other students more than likely comes down to outside learning that did not happen inside the school. The curriculum in the school and/or the way its being taught and/or the environment it's being taught in is clearly below par because it is failing 95% of its students.

A student who over-performs in spite of all of that going on at school is someone who:

1. their parents are probably teachers
2. has access to higher level literature in their house or is encouraged to go to the library
3. is being taught an alternative curriculum at home
4. is tutored
5. is a member of a club/organization outside of school that holds much higher expectations than their school

etc.

The reality is that "at-level" in a low scoring school does not mean that you are being adequately prepared to take advanced coursework let alone to do well in college. The real barometer for "at-level" is state testing which roughly translates to being able to meet the standards of a state university. Even that is not the entire picture... if you're not accustomed to a more rigorous course-load (writing multiple papers a week, knowing how to do research papers, knowing how to study, etc.) then its incredibly easy to fall behind and flunk out from college. This happens to A LOT of people coming from low income public schools where the expectations for course-loads are often laughably lower than said colleges to the point of being glorified babysitting.

 

[Born2BKing]

You're allowed to be selfish when it comes to your kids.

Damn right

 

[H@LLOW]

Cac being cac brehs

 

[Deflatedhoopdreams]

Honestly I think some of y'all fail to grasp what "underperforming" actually means in the context of public education. It refers to statewide and district-wide standardized testing averages, not to GPAs. A student attending a school with very low average scores on state exams can literally maintain a 3.0-3.5 GPA and a flawless attendance record at the school and STILL be "underperforming" based on their state standardized test results.

Conversely, you can have the attendance record of Ferris Bueller and a sub 2.0 GPA in the bottom percentile of your class, but if you're going to school at a college preparatory institution or equivalently well funded public school then chances are you've been taught how to pass a state exam.

Being an underperforming student by state criteria has little to do with your academic standing let alone behavioral issues or a lack of discipline. It has far more to do with the severely low expectations reserved for low income students which are expressed through extremely reduced course-loads in "regular" classes, limited access to advanced classes, outdated textbooks, overcrowded classrooms, etc.

Y'all are busy conjuring images of "Dangerous Minds" in your heads when you hear the word underperforming but that is one small fraction of what constitutes "underperforming" by state standards. There are entire middle and high schools in Baltimore, Oakland, etc. where NO ONE scores "proficient" on state exams or even passes them at all. Do you honestly believe that every student in those schools is not applying themselves to their school work or could it simply be that the schools themselves are failing to challenge them...

Preach