WELL DAMN i didn't know JUSTIN COMBS PUBLISHING was still eating off of JADAKISS SOLO ALBUMS

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Easier said than done. 90% of rappers sign contracts with little bargaining power. Imagine it's 1995 and Puff Daddy rolls into your hood, talmabout he's going to take you and your whole family out the hood IF you sign the contract.





You signing that contract breh.
I think I might have worded this wrong. Artists should try and atleast go for said things, and have integrity for themselves.

When you decide to fork over your publishing to another company, it is your fault for not learning about this, especially when the LOX was getting raped from some other label they were with before Puff.
 

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I'm sorry sir. This is a one man job. And I take these matters very seriously.
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jada will never be forgotten. hes in ALOT of peoples top 5s IRL.........i dont agree with it, if youre wondering.

and this "jada never made a dope album" stuff needs to stop. he never made a classic album, but all his albums were dope. and its not like many classics LPs have dropped this century. i can prolly count em on one hand.

problem is, jada is always gonna be compared to '80s & '90s rappers because he was expected to be the next ONE. if you compare him to 2000s rappers - which is what he is as a solo artist, hes in the elite bracket.
He's dope and we who witnessed it will know this but in the future, motherfukkers will only remember the artist by the dope projects they did.

There were a lot of dope rappers in the 80s but for us who weren't old enough to listen to hiphop in the 80s don't know about them cause we never heard of their classic albums. That's what I'm saying. If I'm reading complex magazine or wherever the fukk, I will hear about the top rappers of all time, underrated classics, classics, era defining album and on.. And perhaps songs too.

It's like championships, how many players do you know from back in the days with no rings?
 

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Was anybody else trying to sign them at the time? If not...then their you go...

I'm not saying that Puff should be a charity case...he is running a business after all...but if all that stuff is true that they say...then like i said that is a type of greed I can't even fathom

They didn't HAVE to get into the music industry, nobody forced them in that direction...shyt why not try to wait it out and roll directly with RR?

I agree Puff's greed is something else, but he's the not the only entrepreneur taking advantage of situations...
 

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Diddy came into Angie Martinez show the next day and did a full interview and brought their contracts and broke it down and schooled everyone. I'll post a link when I get to the crib. shyt was classic.

You have to remember timing in 1996 - Badboy had Biggie at the height and Mase and Puff were just starting to make noise themselves...they were like the Bulls in the 90s...Puff helped make the Lox known. He invested resources into them. He added value to their brand.

 

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Sean “Diddy” Combs, the founder and CEO of Bad Boy Entertainment, got the opportunity to explain his side of the publishing squabble with The Lox Thursday after the two parties were embroiled in a heated argument on Wednesday, during an interview on New York City’s Hot 97.

After much prodding by radio host Angie Martinez of Hot 97, Diddy revealed that he owns 20-percent of The Lox’s publishing, not the 50-percent that members Styles P and Jadakiss claimed. Still, a representative of the group sent a document countering the Bad Boy mogul’s assertion.

“It’s tragic and it’s embarrassing that they don’t even know the 101’s of the industry.” Diddy told Martinez. ” They don’t even know what’s going on in their own lives.”

Styles P and Jadakiss supposedly went to Hot 97 to promote an upcoming project, but the two Lox members began to express the displeasure of the former contract they had with Sean “Diddy” Combs during their tenure at Bad Boy Entertainment.

“This thing that they portrayed is not right”, Diddy stated, ” I’m willing to turn it around but not on their tactics.”

Although The Lox claim that Diddy has taken millions, Diddy proclaimed that through his 20-percent ownership, he has actually made $400,000.

“They claiming slavery over $1.5 million (which is what he says that they earned at Bad Boy),” Diddy told All Hip-Hop.com, “That ain’t slavery.”

Before the conversation turned heated, Diddy said he extended several offers for The Lox to come up to the Bad Boy offices. “I want them to talk to me face-to-face, stop looking like imbeciles in front of everybody.” Diddy continued, ” Stop (making it) look as if young Black men that can’t handle things, we can meet. This thing that they portrayed is not right.

I’m willing to turn it around, but not [based on] their tactics.”

Diddy, who started Bad Boy Records in 1994, signed The Lox in 1996 and released their debut album Money, Power, Respect in 1997.

“I want to see them or any other artist (try this with another label).” Diddy said, “If it wasn’t Puff who you know personally, looks like you, hangs out with you, drinks with you – would you ask them to just let me out the contract, No. You ain’t gonna call Sony with that, because they are not gonna take your call. You not going to call Universal with that, because it’s a contract.”

The Lox who signed to Ruff Ryders after a “Free The Lox” campaign to get out of what they stated was a slave-like situation and even mocked on their debut album

on Ruff Ryder Records.

“I would have signed that deal”, Diddy stated referring to the initial contract with Bad Boy, “But also to keep it real, I would have been so on my business that I would have been at that office trying to make the deal better. Don’t feel sorry for people that are lazy and then blame it on the other person. They are not on top of their business, but they need to get on top of it. Forget the beef, the talking reckless Sit down, and handle it. Before you even meet with me, sit down with your accountant for three hours and go over your life. Manage your life, sit at home by yourself and read your contract word for word. There are books that I have for them [like] Publishing 101.”

Although Diddy states that he is more than willing to discuss business with his former artists, he doesn’t agree with how they voiced their displeasure.

“This isn’t gangsta. This isn’t even manly. This is borderline funny-style. When you got a situation, you handle it man to man. Angie can’t help the situation, New York can’t help it. You gotta help yourself. You come and see me so I can teach you. I think you gonna thank me. I invested in and I believed in you. You believed in me and I believed in y’all. (If you have problems with me), call me. Don’t make a mixtape, you call me because I don’t play those games.”

After the heated and very public argument that ensued on Hot 97 airwaves, Diddy states there is no beef.

“I have no problem with The Lox. I am definitely grateful with the time I had with them. I can only get worked up over real beef and this ain’t beef.”

Incidentally, The Notorious B.I.G.’s mother called the radio to offer some words to Lil’ Cease who called Hot 97 and complained that Diddy retained the late rapper’s publishing. Wallace said he should mind his “business” and that she was working closely with Diddy on the upcoming Biggie Duets album.
 

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Lmao rofl lol. You serious nikka? I was doing the same shyt on allhiphop 10+ years ago.
AInt nobody following you.


ive been in it longer.

and AHH was a weak ass forum.



Actually that's what you and other easct coast nikkas do.

Why do we know UGK,8ball & MJG or Outkast?
Cause of what they did.
Lox on the other hand were led in by:


"Now you got the lox: 3 dusty nikkas that were blessed to be signed to bad boy and dropped their first album in the time period that Bad boy had just released hiphop albums that went on to sale 11mil,7mil and 4 mil. That's an average of 7 million. The lox were featured on all 3 of these albums. They come out (10 months after big,7 months after puff and 3 months after mase) and sale 1mil. THat stinks. Even after selling out

they FLOPPED! despite putting out the classic Money power respect (song). Guess people felt they werent shyt.
Later after their flop,dmx whom comes from the same camp blows up and drops albums that would go on to sale 4 mil,3 mil and 5 mil in a year and a half time frame. Eve does 2mil with her project.
The lox are desperate to get out of their contract with puff. Not only is the ship sinking,they're watching their team mates sale millions with the street vibe they wanted to display in the first place.
SO
they run off to get under dmx's nuts where they thought they'd fair alot better. (to their credit,the label was ran by their managers/mentors etc Dee & wahh.)
They get there and put out the uneventful album WE ARE THE STREETS,possessing no classic songs and being boring as watching paint dry. The album sales gold even though eve and x are killing it.
They put out some solo projects having more success than they did as a group but still fail to become power houses. They consider running back to puff,jada trys to run to jay-z but in the end they just end up being overrated NY mc's whom their fans make excuses for their underachieving ways. THE END"

:snoop:

not this nonsense again.

and the irony of you posting this while trying to big up outkast.:laugh: shameless contradiction.
 

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He's dope and we who witnessed it will know this but in the future, motherfukkers will only remember the artist by the dope projects they did.

There were a lot of dope rappers in the 80s but for us who weren't old enough to listen to hiphop in the 80s don't know about them cause we never heard of their classic albums. That's what I'm saying. If I'm reading complex magazine or wherever the fukk, I will hear about the top rappers of all time, underrated classics, classics, era defining album and on.. And perhaps songs too.

It's like championships, how many players do you know from back in the days with no rings?


youre preaching to the wrong choir with this argument breh. i cant relate to not knowing legends who arent shoved down my throat by the media.

besides, "we are the streets" is seen as a classic, and theres lots of lil dudes running around that didnt really live thru that era that have jada in their top 5.
 

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youre preaching to the wrong choir with this argument breh. i cant relate to not knowing legends who arent shoved down my throat by the media.

besides, "we are the streets" is seen as a classic, and theres lots of lil dudes running around that didnt really live thru that era that have jada in their top 5.
Jada is still out, Styles is still out.

I'm talking about 30 years from now.

This is not preaching to a choir or yourself, this just how it works in general..
Big singles, album and classic albums is what the average fan knows from before their time, they are not looking for obscure mixtapes, certain songs on albums and on..
Cats know Fugees for their classic album and their big singles, not cause Lauryn was one of the illest spittas or cause Wyclef was one of the nicest producers.

My guess(!), is that inorder for kids to respect Jada in the future they'll have to be super deep hiphop heads. You might see him in "most underrated", "under-performer" lists and Eminem's top 10.
 
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