WELL DAMN i didn't know JUSTIN COMBS PUBLISHING was still eating off of JADAKISS SOLO ALBUMS

[Wacky D]

You cant win this. i come with facts,you come with emotion and BS.

you dont come with anything but a lack of perspective. thats always what trips you up in these threads.

the lox were never a numbers group. puff tried to somewhat mold them into that, and thus that was their highest-selling release, but thats not what the people wanted from the lox.

the lox is str8 up street music that doesnt reasonate with the masses. thats always been their claim to fame. i dont know how hard it is for you to understand.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

you dont come with anything but a lack of perspective. thats always what trips you up in these threads.

the lox were never a numbers group. puff tried to somewhat mold them into that, and thus that was their highest-selling release, but thats not what the people wanted from the lox.

the lox is str8 up street music that doesnt reasonate with the masses. thats always been their claim to fame. i dont know how hard it is for you to understand.

Because they were weak. Dmx's music is grimier and he sold millions. FROM THE SAME CREW WITH THE SAME FLAG.Stop making excuses. They tried the same shyt the others tried but failed due to lack of talent. They tried straight pop,flopped. Tried hood shyt,flopped worse. Even though nikkas in their camps succeeded massively. They just aint shyt. See posters like you are NOT to be respected. I DID respect you but you really been a sucka all along. We all can have different opinions but damn you just cant accept reality? You have a Bullshyt excuse for everything.
Look at you maaaaaaaannn,you're pathetic. The fans didnt want them to sale? LMAO gtfoh.
They just couldnt cut it. Styles said in his own interview he wished he sold a mill,but you so dumb you believe in their hood bravado lol.

ff 3:50.
Sooooooo,he wish he would of sold a millie,THEY TRIED VERY HARD,but you making excuses? They just lack talent.
Once a nikka shoots for commercial sales I.E. sells out,YOU CANT USE THE "OH THEY'RE MEANT FOR THE HOOD" talk. It's corny nikka.
Keep frontin like them nikkas didnt try hard to get crossover sales,Fukk Bwoi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_LOX_discography#Singles

Look at the most successful nikka in they crew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadakiss_discography#Singles

nikka wanna make excuses.
ASk yourself why nikkas like ice-t went gold (or more) six times in a row with straight street shyt.
While the lox had the roll out which i outlined earlier and did similar numbers. Cut it out fukk nikka

 

[Wacky D]

Because they were weak. Dmx's music is grimier and he sold millions. FROM THE SAME CREW WITH THE SAME FLAG.Stop making excuses. They tried the same shyt the others tried but failed due to lack of talent. They tried straight pop,flopped. Tried hood shyt,flopped worse. Even though nikkas in their camps succeeded massively. They just aint shyt. See posters like you are NOT to be respected. I DID respect you but you really been a sucka all along. We all can have different opinions but damn you just cant accept reality? You have a Bullshyt excuse for everything.
Look at you maaaaaaaannn,you're pathetic. The fans didnt want them to sale? LMAO gtfoh.
They just couldnt cut it. Styles said in his own interview he wished he sold a mill,but you so dumb you believe in their hood bravado lol.

ff 3:50.
Sooooooo,he wish he would of sold a millie,THEY TRIED VERY HARD,but you making excuses? They just lack talent.
Once a nikka shoots for commercial sales I.E. sells out,YOU CANT USE THE "OH THEY'RE MEANT FOR THE HOOD" talk. It's corny nikka.
Keep frontin like them nikkas didnt try hard to get crossover sales,Fukk Bwoi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_LOX_discography#Singles

Look at the most successful nikka in they crew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadakiss_discography#Singles

nikka wanna make excuses.
ASk yourself why nikkas like ice-t went gold (or more) six times in a row with straight street shyt.
While the lox had the roll out which i outlined earlier and did similar numbers. Cut it out fukk nikka

dmx is a rockstar. he has that appeal. guys like him dont come around often. he was on a different level than everybody at the time.

and to add to that, the lox style of rap doesnt reasonate with the masses. guys like dmx & ice t are straight-forward, straight to the punch type of guys. the lox is moreso insider-type music. from the lingo to the content to the delivery. i couldnt even fathom the idea of lil jimmys in middle america flocking to a lox album. thats not their lane.

like i said, you seriously lack perspective. you just dont get IT.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

dmx is a rockstar. he has that appeal. guys like him dont come around often. he was on a different level than everybody at the time.
and to add to that, the lox style of rap doesnt reasonate with the masses. guys like dmx & ice t are straight-forward, straight to the punch type of guys. the lox is moreso insider-type music. from the lingo to the content to the delivery. i couldnt even fathom the idea of lil jimmys in middle america flocking to a lox album. thats not their lane.

like i said, you seriously lack perspective. you just dont get IT.

nikka HE BECAME A ROCKSTAR BY DOING GOOD WORK,YOU TALK LIKE IT WAS HANDED TO HIM. Stop making excuses. They just aint shyt PERIOD. They were given a silver spoon and red carpet and still did just AIGHT. Do you realize you could make an excuse for nearly every rapper that existed ? shyt is just weak.

SO by your logic,every rapper that doesnt connect to the masses,it's cause that's not their thing?
Ok i get it now.

 

[WSFGDan]

 

[Razzay]

people need to realize... THIS WASN'T THE LOX BAD BOY DEAL

the lox had 2 different contracts.. not even counting the one before bad boy


they had a deal that puff bought them out of, when they signed with puff... that's deal 1. the one they went on a campaign to get out of. the whole "let the lox go" shirts and radio interviews.. they pulled this bullshyt back then while ON the label. acting like they couldn't have got lawyers and sat down with him before all that. saying after all that time around the business, they still should have been clueless.

this shows because.......

in order to let them go, puff made a SECOND contract. which stated everything he said in the second interview. that in order to get off the label, this was their payment to him. cause like he said, jimmy iovine ain't letting you go, baby ain't letting you go, suge wasn't letting you go, def jam wasn't letting you go. but he would always let you go, for a fee



so the lox didn't have to sign the first deal.. they could have kept building their buzz and waited... they had already been burned once, did they learn.... no

ok they sign with puff.. they obviously didn't like something.. did they get a lawyer and dee and waah and come to him and try to work out a nice deal... nah they embarrassed their OWNER in the press and talked shyt about him.... they could have stayed, but they chose to leave... but did they still sit down, and sign that deal once again... sure did


then comes this time.. they want their pub back... do they go sit down, get lawyers, etc.... nope... go to radio and cry about it.. sheek wasn't quiet cause an album coming.. puff don't own sheek pub.. and sheek has the most investments and money out of the 3... sheek didn't give a fukk..

but anyway they still haven't learned the business... and still going to these same media tactics to get their way



look at the latest breakfast club interview

"so now that the lox is free, do you want to sign to a major or go indy"



styles: "i want to go indy but jada just want to sit back and let the label do everything... he'd rather not have to do all the work"


you been getting jerked your entire career.. you finally have back everything... completely free... pub is back, you own your masters, no 360 or anything.... and the next move you want to make is sign back to a major label so you don't have to do any work


well that's why they take percentages.. they ain't working for free... nor paying you to sit on your ass

you can blame puff for a lot of shyt.. but it's almost 20 years later and these dudes ain't doing shyt on a business level with their "legend" status

This is the realest post in the thread. Much respect.

To even accept their calls Puff did what no other record company would do...this is business

 

[Wacky D]

nikka HE BECAME A ROCKSTAR BY DOING GOOD WORK,YOU TALK LIKE IT WAS HANDED TO HIM. Stop making excuses. They just aint shyt PERIOD. They were given a silver spoon and red carpet and still did just AIGHT. Do you realize you could make an excuse for nearly every rapper that existed ? shyt is just weak.

SO by your logic,every rapper that doesnt connect to the masses,it's cause that's not their thing?
Ok i get it now.

i didnt even insinuate that it was handed to him.

he has that appeal. i was giving X a compliment. lol.

like i said, you dont get it breh.

and yea, alot of rappers werent meant to connect to the masses. they did the numbers they were supposed to do in retail. the bad boy album went plat, and the RR album went gold and in the hood it went diamond.

you would have a point in saying that they flopped if there was a group like them that did way better numbers. but you cant name any. youre steady comparing them to artists that arent even going in the same direction.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

i didnt even insinuate that it was handed to him.

he has that appeal. i was giving X a compliment. lol.

like i said, you dont get it breh.

and yea, alot of rappers werent meant to connect to the masses. they did the numbers they were supposed to do in retail. the bad boy album went plat, and the RR album went gold and in the hood it went diamond.

you would have a point in saying that they flopped if there was a group like them that did way better numbers. but you cant name any. youre steady comparing them to artists that arent even going in the same direction.

If you meant boring "like them" naw we wont find one that had success. I understand EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING. I'm just not buying what you're selling. It's not a viable excuse.
Being a dope rapper is what you say and how it comes out vocally. Their vocals are lackluster,that's why they are wack to me. They can rap yes. But they are not of the elite mc's whom can spit and sound good on the mic like dmx,jay,pac and a host of others.
You're living in a fantasy world as if the lox are some type of stand out group with some never before seen particular rhyming abilities. When truthfully they're just avg east coast mc's.
Can you imagine how much lower the lox would be historically if they werent given the two mega positions they were handed back to back. We wouldnt even be talking bout these nikkas.

That pass you trying to give them is a pass they're not worthy of AT ALL. I'd give any grimey hiphop nikka that was never in a hot clique and didnt take multiple shots at pop music a pass every day of the week. But when you been on all these big albums,big singles,made multiple attempts at crossover success etc,YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE "hey we're just street guys" pass for your lack of success. IT's a COP OUT.
They took their shot and failed, that's that. You know how many nikkas went gold that didnt even remotely have the same chances they got?
Didnt even remotely take them crossover chances to get it?
You got nikkas like epmd whom went gold back to back. them nikkas wasnt on no pop shyt like the lox. Them nikkas wasnt being handed instant fame on multiple blockbuster albums. How dare you pretend the lox deserve to be excused the way them nikkas might get excused. Ice t is another.
Rakim was going gold off straight hiphop.
Between 97-99 them nikkas were featured on albums that sold a total of 36 mil+ and they couldnt even crack 2 mil. Pathetic. The general public wasnt feeling them cause they were run of the mill forgettable nikkas. You want me to find a group like them that sold more, when what really needs to happen is YOU need to find a group or person that was giving a chance in the prime of 2 successful dynasties and still did as bad as them. Find those people. That's the level the lox belongs on historically.
Look at spice 1,this nikkas kept going gold wit straight gutter shyt. This nikka wasnt no big pop record making nikka,nor was he down with them.
This nikka wasnt on deathrow shyt,this nikka wasnt next to the out of jail superstar version of 2pac.
He never had that shot like the lox. They can't use the street excuse like him.
Matter of fact Nate dogg was supposed to do the hook on

Right after regulate came out and suge stopped it.
I'm not giving a pass to the nikkas that DID get them shots,MULTIPLE SHOTS IN MULTIPLE CLIQUES.
THat shyt is reserved for the nikkas that really kept it 100% gutter,not them IF YOU THINK I'M JIGGY ryde or die chick,KNOCK YOURSELF OUT type nikkas.
Can you imagine if a dj quik or a mc eiht had dropped a album on deathrow (in it's prime) then went to no limit and did the same thing IN THEIR PRIME? They'd sold waaaaaaaaaay more than the lox. You know why? becaue even without that,they were matching the lox you clown ass nikka

 

[Wacky D]

@bigbadbossup2012

so the lox are boring rappers now? with lackluster vocals? LOL. since when do they file under those categories? just admit that you hate east coast rap already.

and since when did the lox ever try to go pop?

lol. i couldnt read anything after that. im done.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@bigbadbossup2012

so the lox are boring rappers now? with lackluster vocals? LOL. since when do they file under those categories? just admit that you hate east coast rap already.

and since when did the lox ever try to go pop?

lol. i couldnt read anything after that. im done.

I know you done,fukk boy. You cant match me,thought you knew that already.
Silly smilies and playing stupid aint enough bro,you look foolish

 

[Razzay]

You got to remember that in 94-95 the Warlox were trying to get a deal through their management and connections with Dee and Wah from the Ruff Ryders (before Ruff Ryders started to take off). Mary J Blige is from Yonkers, NY the same place as the Lox. She brought them to Puff and he signed them. Puff also had the opportunity to sign DMX but it didnt go through.

Badboy was the Chicago Bulls of hiphop at the time...they ran mainstream NY hiphop and were competing with the West. What better team to join than Big, Puff and Mase that were all over the place.

The Lox just didnt agree with the style of clothing (shiny suits in Mariah's Honey Video and Mase Feel So Good). Puff was more a control freak back then when it came to creative control. He just started his label and had the golden touch and everything was picking up with Life after Death and No Way Out.

In 1998 there was a shift in hiphop...while Badboy focused on RnB (112, Total, Faith, Carl Thomas)....Jay-Z and DMX came out and started to make hardcore rap more appealing to the masses (mainstream). This is when X came out with Its dark and hell is hot and started to get Ruff Ryders more known and was successful in marketing that rugged sound. The Lox always wanted that direction and thats why they jumped ship. After Big passed it just didnt feel right and with Puff controlling everything it was hard to get their true word in.

In 99 - Puff let the Lox go, which not too many record labels would ever do...this is business..this is contracts and this is corporate law. Puff helped them be known he took a risk investing in them, he built their name, put their face in videos (Benjamins, 24 hours to Live) that were in heavy rotation, put them on songs that were on multi-platinum albums and helped their debut sell over 1.5 million int he US and double platinum worldwide with their singles going gold or better. He made them a household name. You just dont let your product walk away for nothing. Puff has to recoup his investment, the Lox were his product and if someone else wanted them they needed to pay. Same thing for the Mase and G-unit issues.

Its unfortunate because the Lox would of rapped over the beats for the Biggie Duets album, Shyne Debut album, Puff Daddy Forever and Saga Continues albums, Black Rob Life Story album and G-Dep Child of the Ghetto album if they stayed with the team. Their production would of been on point and they still would of been able to release solo projects and get the joints they got (knock yourself out, I get High etc..)

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

You got to remember that in 94-95 the Warlox were trying to get a deal through their management and connections with Dee and Wah from the Ruff Ryders (before Ruff Ryders started to take off). Mary J Blige is from Yonkers, NY the same place as the Lox. She brought them to Puff and he signed them. Puff also had the opportunity to sign DMX but it didnt go through.

Badboy was the Chicago Bulls of hiphop at the time...they ran mainstream NY hiphop and were competing with the West. What better team to join than Big, Puff and Mase that were all over the place.

The Lox just didnt agree with the style of clothing (shiny suits in Mariah's Honey Video and Mase Feel So Good). Puff was more a control freak back then when it came to creative control. He just started his label and had the golden touch and everything was picking up with Life after Death and No Way Out.

In 1998 there was a shift in hiphop...while Badboy focused on RnB (112, Total, Faith, Carl Thomas)....Jay-Z and DMX came out and started to make hardcore rap more appealing to the masses (mainstream). This is when X came out with Its dark and hell is hot and started to get Ruff Ryders more known and was successful in marketing that rugged sound. The Lox always wanted that direction and thats why they jumped ship. After Big passed it just didnt feel right and with Puff controlling everything it was hard to get their true word in.

In 99 - Puff let the Lox go, which not too many record labels would ever do...this is business..this is contracts and this is corporate law. Puff helped them be known he took a risk investing in them, he built their name, put their face in videos (Benjamins, 24 hours to Live) that were in heavy rotation, put them on songs that were on multi-platinum albums and helped their debut sell over 1.5 million int he US and double platinum worldwide with their singles going gold or better. He made them a household name. You just dont let your product walk away for nothing. Puff has to recoup his investment, the Lox were his product and if someone else wanted them they needed to pay. Same thing for the Mase and G-unit issues.

Its unfortunate because the Lox would of rapped over the beats for the Biggie Duets album, Shyne Debut album, Puff Daddy Forever and Saga Continues albums, Black Rob Life Story album and G-Dep Child of the Ghetto album if they stayed with the team. Their production would of been on point and they still would of been able to release solo projects and get the joints they got (knock yourself out, I get High etc..)

What's your point? I'm confused

 

[Razzay]

 

[Wacky D]

I know you done,fukk boy. You cant match me,thought you knew that already.
Silly smilies and playing stupid aint enough bro,you look foolish

watch ya f*ckin mouth. i didnt disrespect you, so dont try to come out of pocket on me. dont be mad cuz yousa dikkhead.

and thats a pop record to you? that record is tailored for urban radio. commercial record yes, but lol @ the thought of that being a pop record. youre an idiot. get away from me young bul.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

watch ya f*ckin mouth. i didnt disrespect you, so dont try to come out of pocket on me. dont be mad cuz yousa dikkhead.

and thats a pop record to you? that record is tailored for urban radio. commercial record yes, but lol @ the thought of that being a pop record. youre an idiot. get away from me young bul.

It's a cover of a pop record. Them smilies aint helping you. I make all the sense. I'm talking to you like a bytch cause you've shown me that's what you are. It's not about anger or us having a disagreement, it's about you being fake as fukk and pretending you cant see blatant truth