We're in the golden age of Prog Rap/Alt-Hip Hop and Pop Rap and UOENO

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The sound of Hip Hop has NEVER been this diverse. Outside of the Trap Rap sound that Mike Will, 808's Mafia, Metro, Sonny Digital and TM-88 use, there really isnt a signature sound.

Artists like CHildish Gambino, Fetty Wap, Wiz, Drake, Nicki incorporate more pop sounds into their music

Youve got artists like Kanye (who basically birthed Prog-Rap with YEEZUS), Travis $cott, A$AP Rocky, Run The Jewels, Even Kendrick with "To Pimp A Butterfly" use more prog and experimental production in their music.

Id say guys like Post Malone, Young Thug, Makonnen, Macklemore, G-Eazy skew more toward alternative hip hop in that their sound/content isnt fully pop, isnt fully traditional/gangsta rap, but still contains popular elements of music production in their soundscape.

And going back to Pop Rap for a sec, whats even crazier is that the line separating hip hop and pop has never been this thin. Youve got pop artists like Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez incorporating hip hop ambiance into their music. Artists like Taylor Swift making a song with a "conscious" rapper like Kendrick Lamar.

On one hand, I think its a sign of how Hip Hop has fallen from grace. Dying album sales killed our ability to stand independently of pop music. Control of the music has shifted back to the suits heavily. A shrinking market share means the suits are going to dictate what sound you make and who you make it with (sad because the Internet Age should've allowed us greater freedom from the Labels). So Hip Hop becoming synonymous with pop music is at least halfway by design.

The other half is that the internet has bolstered the creativity and open mindedness of current and future generations. Black kids arent laughed at anymore (at least not as much) for wanting to be different and express themselves. White suburban kids can be just as invested in a trap rapper from Zone 3 just as much as someone who actually lives in Zone 3.

Basically, the internet really has brought us closer together and that closeness, that lack of boundaries in culture, creativity, and collaboration is being manifested in popular music. Which is great because we're seeing artists break through (for good and bad) that never would've when hip hop was dominated by regional sounds, scenes, and more street oriented imagery.

What say yall?
 
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Golden Age???? THIS NEW shyt IS GARBAGE

GOLDEN AGE???
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Historically in popular music, whenever a genre evolves into its "progressive" phase it usually means that it's become oversaturated, is dying, and is about to be replaced by a new innovation.

So the prog phase of rock, that produced some of the best rock of 70's most notably being Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of The Moon" (widely considered a top 10 album of all time), signaled the dying of rock and roll?
 

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Golden Age???? THIS NEW shyt IS GARBAGE

GOLDEN AGE???
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"Golden Age" doesn't necessarily mean that its the best the genre has ever seen. But we've bore witness to a HUGE INCREASE in the amount of innovation and experimentation that we've never seen before.
 

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No need to try and take a stealth dump on things that went before, when the culture was varied from the outset, major labels hopped in and closed off the different avenues available and thus relegated the various styles to the underground.

Personally I hate the fact fools are trying to label this shyt alt/progressive, it usually reeks of pretentiousness there is no need to affix labels that belong to other genres to our own.
 

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Where's that 'swag rap is the worst sub genre' thread...

production & aesthetic is off the charts, but so is the pretentiousness, when you go a little deeper you'll see that contrary to what it looks like these new wave of black kids are actually conformist as ever. They'll wear Dipset shirts but look down on any contemporary street shyt that isn't trap/drill. Anything that isn't turn up or tumblr cool rap is frowned upon by the supposed 'progressive' kids. shyt is all image.
 
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No need to try and take a stealth dump on things that went before, when the culture was varied from the outset, major labels hopped in and closed off the different avenues available and thus relegated the various styles to the underground.

Personally I hate the fact fools are trying to label this shyt alt/progressive, it usually reeks of pretentiousness there is no need to affix labels that belong to other genres to our own.

Bruh there was no derision of the previous generations in my interpretations.

Like, lets get something straight here: the average age of alot of prominent rappers from 10 years ago is around 36 years old.

The rappers who were prominent 10 years before them? Are in their early to mid 40's.

Thugger, Travis Scott, Metro Boomin, Fetty, Post Malone, Chance and a host of other rappers arent even 25 yet.

Its a natural cycle in any art form that as it ages, the forms of expression become more progressive and experimental.

I never said these guys were the first of their kind, but merely this is the most alternative that ive seen the game at.

I agree with you in that yes, a lot of it is by design. Alot of it is guided by the hands of the labels. But i really do belief a shift in tastes occurred in younger generations (as is wont to happen) and the power of the internet made it easier for these guys to gain prominence.

Lastly, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think labels of other genres work just fine with hip hop because rock, pop, hip hop, etc. are all American musical genres. We all take inspiration from similar sources and our cultures arent that dissimilar to where our musics dont evolve along the same path.





 

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i agree with op. but dont tell the truth to these old fukks who'll run in this thread and spew garbage like "bah, my era was so better than today" without even reading the op post.
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So the prog phase of rock, that produced some of the best rock of 70's most notably being Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of The Moon" (widely considered a top 10 album of all time), signaled the dying of rock and roll?

Yes. The '70's were dominated by funk/disco and then hiphop started emerging in the '80's.
 
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