Westbrook is the best pg in the league

[GoddamnyamanProf]

That's the whole point. Because their coach doesn't run a proper offense, they need Westbrook's scoring. They run iso not because of the players they have, but because they have an incompetent coach.

Uh no, its both. Which is what I just told you. Paul solves both issues, and in a more effective/consistent way then just isos every time down the court.

Whats that you say? But you love iso plays? Yeah, thats what fukking Durant is for. Hes better at them than Westbrook and more efficient.

Did you really just reiterate that the Thunder roleplayers arent playmakers or independent scorers? And now I have to repeat why a pass-first assist wizard would make the team more effective? And your argument is that Chris Paul wouldnt magically turn them into independent scorers? No...he would help them score, thus making up for their offensive shortcomings. Thats what a good distributor does.

Sidenote, its funny that youre actually transporting old Kobestan talking points to this argument. Its almost as if you have no concept of the role a traditional point guard fills...Must be from only watching the triangle offense your entire life.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

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[Mr. Manhattan]

it just keeps getting worse

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

That's because he needs to be taught how to run an offense. Even if you throw CP3 in there, the Thunder wouldn't be nearly as effective, because CP3 and Durant have relatively the same temperament. Paul is always looking to slow the game down and play within the half-court - that type of style wouldn't work on the Thunder.

Yeah he does. And no one on OKC is gonna do that. You know who doesnt need to be taught how to run an offense? Chris Paul.

But again, you seem to be conflicted about whether actually knowing how to run an offense is even a good thing. You say Russ needs it but then claim that actually running an offense "wouldnt work" on the Thunder (lol) and basically attribute their success to Westbrook's frantic iso plays and constantly pushing the ball.

So again, this is simple: If you think the Thunder have a good chance of beating the Heat and winning it all this year, then keep doing what theyre doing. If not, then you agree with me that a change is necessary, and that change is exactly what Ive described. And again, bear in mind...the Heat themselves already tried what youre arguing for, what the Thunder currently have in place. They tried that iso shyt and lost, to a better and more balanced team. Then they smartened up and started winning championships.

I want the Thunder to smarten up too. You?

 

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[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Uh no, its both. Which is what I just told you. Paul solves both issues, and in a more effective/consistent way then just isos every time down the court.

Paul wouldn't solve anything.

Paul has Billups/Crawford, Butler, Griffin and Jordan
Westbrook has Thabo/Martin, Durant, Ibaka and Perkins

How would the Thunder be more effective, when they have a less-talented offensive starting 5 but are more productive offensively than the Clippers are?

Westbrook does more with less and Paul does less with more.

Whats that you say? But you love iso plays? Yeah, thats what fukking Durant is for. Hes better at them than Westbrook and more efficient.

And exactly who else are the Thunder gonna depend on when Paul is busy trying to set up players? Are they just gonna rely on Durant who isn't always aggressive and there's virtually nobody else that plays above the rim or who can get you quick points?

Did you really just reiterate that the Thunder roleplayers arent playmakers or independent scorers? And now I have to repeat why a pass-first assist wizard would make the team more effective? And your argument is that Chris Paul wouldnt magically turn them into independent scorers? No...he would help them score, thus making up for their offensive shortcomings. Thats what a good distributor does.

A minute ago you were alluding to all the scoring-weapons on the Thunder, of course I have to reiterate that.

A pass-first assist wizard wouldn't make them more effective. Paul can't even make his own team more effective than the Thunder, with more talented players. How the fukk is he gonna do it on the Thunder?

Sidenote, its funny that youre actually transporting old Kobestan talking points to this argument. Its almost as if you have no concept of the role a traditional point guard fills...Must be from only watching the triangle offense your entire life.

No, what's funny is, you've spent all this time discussing Kobe, that you think all talking-points discussing basketball derive from him. It's like you see a reincarnate of Kobe and you just use the same tired agenda. A traditional PG wouldn't work on the Thunder, they need a constant-scoring threat because there isn't one at the 2, 4 and 5.

 

[StatUS]

All this Westbrook/Paul talk makes me wonder how the hell the Clips aren't the 3 seed so we can get a Clips/Thunder WC Final

I guess we'll see what's really good with that in Round 2

 

[Sean7]

LOL, he aint no damn PG.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yeah he does. And no one on OKC is gonna do that. You know who doesnt need to be taught how to run an offense? Chris Paul.

That's all good. But it wouldn't make the Thunder any better with the role players they have now.

But again, you seem to be conflicted about whether actually knowing how to run an offense is even a good thing. You say Russ needs it but then claim that actually running an offense "wouldnt work" on the Thunder (lol) and basically attribute their success to Westbrook's frantic iso plays and constantly pushing the ball.

By running an offense I mean, regular ball movement and off-ball movement. Not just being forced to play an iso-option all the time. I never said running an offense wouldn't work, I said Paul running the offense wouldn't work.

a) he doesn't push the tempo (an area where the Thunder have an advantage)
b) he doesn't get to the rim regularly and play above it (an area where the Thunder have an advantage)
c) he isn't aggressive enough (an area on the Thunder that is a must, because you can't depend on Durant, Thabo, Ibaka and Perkins to maintain that throughout the whole game)
d) he isn't athletic enough (an area where the Thunder have an advantage)

The Thunder's success is built on Westbrook pushing the tempo, transition scoring and his score-first mentality. For all the three/four steps ahead the Thunder take with Westbrook's approach, they usually have one step back. It's the decision making he has a problem with, a competent coach would rectify that.

Is it a detriment to the point where Paul would have this team produce more offensively? Of course not.

So again, this is simple: If you think the Thunder have a good chance of beating the Heat and winning it all this year, then keep doing what theyre doing. If not, then you agree with me that a change is necessary, and that change is exactly what Ive described. And again, bear in mind...the Heat themselves already tried what youre arguing for, what the Thunder currently have in place. They tried that iso shyt and lost, to a better and more balanced team. Then they smartened up and started winning championships.?

The change isn't Westbrook. That's where you got things fukked up. The change is the coach. Westbrook can still play his style, but he needs a coach to help him with his decision making and most importantly he needs a coach that can implement ball movement and off-ball movement.

Parker plays a very similar role that Westbrook does, but the difference is the coaching. It works for the Spurs, because the ball flows through everybody's hands.

And again, bear in mind...the Heat themselves already tried what youre arguing for, what the Thunder currently have in place. They tried that iso shyt and lost, to a better and more balanced team. Then they smartened up and started winning championships.

EXACTLY.

What did the Heat change? Coach changed his mentality and they implemented more ball movement and off-ball movement. No changing of any main personal, like you're arguing the Thunder should do. That's why the problem isn't Westbrook, it's the coaching.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Can you just imagine, Paul floating in and out of the first three quarters and Durant expected to carry the team offensively?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Paul wouldn't solve anything.

Paul has Billups/Crawford, Butler, Griffin and Jordan
Westbrook has Thabo/Martin, Durant, Ibaka and Perkins

How would the Thunder be more effective, when they have a less-talented offensive starting 5 but are more productive offensively than the Clippers are?

Westbrook does more with less and Paul does less with more.



And exactly who else are the Thunder gonna depend on when Paul is busy trying to set up players? Are they just gonna rely on Durant who isn't always aggressive and there's virtually nobody else that plays above the rim or who can get you quick points?



A minute ago you were alluding to all the scoring-weapons on the Thunder, of course I have to reiterate that.

A pass-first assist wizard wouldn't make them more effective. Paul can't even make his own team more effective than the Thunder, with more talented players. How the fukk is he gonna do it on the Thunder?



No, what's funny is, you've spent all this time discussing Kobe, that you think all talking-points discussing basketball derive from him. It's like you see a reincarnate of Kobe and you just use the same tired agenda. A traditional PG wouldn't work on the Thunder, they need a constant-scoring threat because there isn't one at the 2, 4 and 5.

How are you gonna sit there and pretend like Paul has more offensive talent around him when Westbrook has the best scorer in the league on his damn list? First of all you cant even compare them like CP "has" this guy and Russell "has" this guy because they dont even share the same roles or relationships with their respective teammates. And youre actually trying to give credit to Westbrook for the Thunder's offense, totally ignoring the main reason for their success and pretending like hes just a guy in Westbrook's offense, and then trying to use that laughable farce as a basis to claim Westbrook runs a more effective offense than CP, when CP has no one close to a Kevin Durant on his team!

If that wasnt already goofy enough, you just admitted a few minutes ago that Westbrook doesnt even know HOW to run an offense. Now suddenly he not only can run an offense
but he "does more with less" than Chris Paul.

What a tremendous mountain of bullshyt.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

The question isnt "Would the Thunder benefit from a better coach?" We all agree on that but its irrelevant and only used as a scapegoat/strawman to try to pretend like Westbrook's decision-making isnt an issue or a reason why Paul would clearly fit in better with the team.

Im not trying to shyt on Westbrook, I also clearly said the Clippers would also improve with him over Paul because, just like OKC, theres a need for his playstyle there that the current pg doesnt fill. He'd finally be the number 1 option role hes been trying to wrestle away from Durant his entire career and unlike the Thunder and Durant, the Clippers often need a guy to take over in a scoring role, and Westbrook is naturally that guy, unlike Paul. Griffin and Jordan just need someone to penetrate and throw the ball up high to get their points (unlike Perkins, Collison and them) and Westbrook can handle that too.

Are you gonna disagree with these points too or are you basically just tryna argue that Westbrook is better than CP3 in every situation? If so, I think we can guess the source of that saltiness.

 

[shakobe]

How are you gonna sit there and pretend like Paul has more offensive talent around him when Westbrook has the best scorer in the league on his damn list? First of all you cant even compare them like CP "has" this guy and Russell "has" this guy because they dont even share the same roles or relationships with their respective teammates. And youre actually trying to give credit to Westbrook for the Thunder's offense, totally ignoring the main reason for their success and pretending like hes just a guy in Westbrook's offense, and then trying to use that laughable farce as a basis to claim Westbrook runs a more effective offense than CP, when CP has no one close to a Kevin Durant on his team!

If that wasnt already goofy enough, you just admitted a few minutes ago that Westbrook doesnt even know HOW to run an offense. Now suddenly he not only can run an offense
but he "does more with less" than Chris Paul.

What a tremendous mountain of bullshyt.

Stfu cp3 is overrated and can't stay healthy

 

[Kings County]