Westbrook : Most overrated modern PG?
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the traditional pg sg fw sf c system is dying
it's just players of varying height & skill
brodie dominates possession & gets tunnel vision od
he doesn't shift smoothly he hunts one objective at a time
score pass rebound but has issues reading the flow
everything is brutish & boorish
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it's just players of varying height & skill
brodie dominates possession & gets tunnel vision od
he doesn't shift smoothly he hunts one objective at a time
score pass rebound but has issues reading the flow
everything is brutish & boorish
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panopticon
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Why you say stockton & rose overrated? I agree about rose he gets mad overrated.
That report makes little sense. They say Westbrook has hit 183 clutch field goals this year? How is that even possible?
Even so, they have Westbrook shooting much better in garbage time (52.5%) than he does in clutch (47.5%). Lebron, meanwhile, by their own numbers shoots worse in garbage time (50.0%) than he does in clutch (53.5%).
In fact, EVERYONE in their top-15 is shooting a better clutch % than Westbrook is. So how you gonna say he's the best when he's shooting worse than everyone else?
Even Ray Felton (who supposedly has 89 clutch field goals by their count) is shooting a better % than Westbrook in the clutch.
If you want "clutch" stats that actually mean something, go here: Players Clutch Traditional
They define clutch as "Last five minutes and game is within 5". The other site used some complex, not understandable stat geek formula that counts way more shots.
By the NBA definition, Lebron leads the NBA with 71 clutch field goals at a 56% clip. Westbrook is 2nd in clutch field goals with 64....but at a 40% clip... That includes shooting 11 for 53 from three in clutch.
When you are 11 for 53 in the clutch on threes and you have multiple guys who shoot better than you on the team, why are you still throwing them up like you hot? You see the problem?
Also, Lebron is +74 in the clutch. That's incredible especially considering how mediocre the Cavs have been on defense this year. The only high-volume players who are even close to that are AD and Oladipo.
Meanwhile, Westbrook is -6 in the clutch.
How you gonna claim Westbrook the best clutch player in the NBA when his team is generally LOSING games in the clutch? And he's surrounded by an above-average defense, so you can't go blaming them...he's the weak link on that end by far.
Shoot 40% in the clutch, go 11-53 from three, having your team shed points on average....and get called the top player in the NBA in the clutch????
“Why Athletes Don’t Get Triple Doubles Every Night: The Untold Story”
You got a publisher yet breh?
Why do you keep exposing yourself for having to have something simple explained to you?
Note that you STILL haven't been able to defend your original stupid comment. I point out why it was dumb, and your whole comeback is, "duh, Captain Obvious"?
Negged.
Kobes Two Jerseys
8 or 24 best player of the era
Steve Nash is overrated.
KillerB88
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Don't waste your time friend. Whenever you come with facts and figures to bolster your argument, they just ignore it. Most people on here can't afford cable much less League Pass (and that's not a dig). They don't watch enough basketball to have an informed opinion about any player. That's why they parrot each other with sports media hot takes.
He was a smart player who understood the game, but his numbers and perceived ability were mad inflated because he got to set up Karl Malone for 15 years and he ran in a system that looked different than what everyone else was running.
When the playoffs hit, the fact that Stockton couldn't take over the game offensively was exposed. And once other teams figured out the pick-and-roll over the course of a 7-game series, the Jazz were usually toast.
Stockton didn't win a single 7-game series until he turned 29...and that was against the Sonics, whose leading scorer was Ricky Pierce. He only did it one more time before he was 33....and that was the 1994 Nuggets whose leading scorer was LaPhonso Ellis. That's it. He was at an age that most players retire and he still hadn't beat one decent team in the playoffs, and that's with Karl Malone and another 20ppg scorer next to him the whole time?
This wasn't a CP3 situation where he was surrounded by mediocre talent or got hit by injury issues. He always had a healthy HOF sidekick (Karl Malone), the greatest PF of his era, and a great 2nd scorer (Jeff Malone then Jeff Hornacek) and a HOF coach (Jerry Sloan) and he even got nearly a decade of one of the top rim-protectors in the NBA too (Mark Eaton). And a lot of his career was in an era where the talent just wasn't as strong as it was today. So why are the Jazz, with two potential GOATs at their position and solid talent four deep, getting swept by the Warriors in the first round?
In 1996-1998 the Jazz finally won some games, but that was with Malone leading the way and Hornacek playing well. Stockton was the #3 scorer in an era where most teams only had 1 star. And he still never closed the deal even though Malone was balling out on both ends.
In a 19-year career, you know how many times Stockton averaged over 20ppg in a playoff series? Twice. Once in 1989 when the Warriors put Winston Garland on him and still swept the Jazz in three games. And once in 1997 when the Rockets defended him with Matt Maloney, who didn't even belong in the NBA. That's it. Twice in 19 years.
Also, the little guy was the dirtiest guard in the NBA, maybe ever. If he didn't play in Utah and didn't project a certain "image", he wouldn't have gotten away with half the stuff he did.
I can't take a player who couldn't take over scoring, who wouldn't be able to defend today's point guards, who had to play dirty to keep an edge, and who almost never won games despite being surrounded by talent, and call him a GOAT at his position. I see people naming Stockton as a top-3 all-time at his position. Sorry, but there's at least ten guys I'm taking in their prime before I'd take him.
Sly Cookin
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"The thunder lose when russ pads his stats"
But the thunder win 80% of their games when he gets a triple double
But the thunder win 80% of their games when he gets a triple double
FreshandClean
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that Westbrook/Adams NBA JAM tag team c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker!!!!!
Deadly af
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it's perfect for the iso.era but not now
they made it so no one could mj the game again
the best player on the floor isn't in control of the outcome as much as before
*Court Shark Russy!!
