We're going to disagree on the mentality and culture. I think it's toxic and it's not just the players, it's the fans. The arrogance and entitlement over a team that has largely achieved nothing on the national level since black people were allowed to play the sport. The disrespect the team shows its opponents, especially Michigan State. The way they make excuses for losses to OSU. The delusion in thinking this is a top tier program like Bama, Clemson, etc because of shyt that happened decades ago.
Yeah, we are going to disagree but a lot of what you’re saying sounds like someone who doesn’t like the university just airing our random grievances and doesn’t come from a place of good faith. I would take critiques from someone who loves the team much more seriously. You sound more like an MSU fan or alumni of some other BIG 10 school and I just can’t put much stock into most of what you just said. What I said is fact, whereas what you said is opinion. OSU, Penn State, Northwestern, Notre Dame, any school worth a damn in the region is arrogant. OSU fans are some of the most obnoxious and toxic people ever. Michigan State and Michigan shyt talking is like Lakers and Clippers or Patriots and Jets, if that is your critique then we are wasting time. In real life, most Michigan alumni have someone from MSU in their family and don’t harbor any true ill will towards them. This is just comical posting. Are there elitist a$$holes at Michigan? Yeah, and they’re at every other elite institution in America. Somehow that hasn’t stopped Stanford or Notre Dame. Somehow it didn’t stop USC in the 2000s. Ohio State’s entire decade of dominance coincides with it trying to become just that sort of elite and arrogant academic institution. They are literally trying to become us as a university and student body while we are chasing their football success. The only way this applies is in how the boosters handled the hires after Carr with that Michigan man shyt, and I addressed it. Nothing you’re saying has anything to do with fixing a program and it’s just your personal disdain. I hate Notre Dame and I wouldn’t write a post like that to describe why they can’t get over the hump. When did you graduate from Michigan? I know exactly when I did and can tell you exactly what the fans were like during the Rich Rod era. There was nothing but pessimism and no semblance of arrogance - just an expectation that with our resources we should be competing with OSU. These are the same fans who protested to get the athletic director fired and were not going to football games. Does that sound like a group of people with a lot of faith to you? If anything, the toxic behavior around Michigan football now is the expectation that we will never be great again. The constant joke is that we are a basketball school now. Every prominent blogger was calling for us to hire coaches outside of the Michigan tree. Some were even calling to poach from OSU. Like I really am so sick of this cartoonish version of a Michigan supporter that you’re portraying in here. And this ridiculous notion of MSU or OSU in anyway having some sort of superior culture and that being why they had more recent success. It was strictly down to recruiting and coaching. And mostly coaching in MSU’s case. If Urban Meyer is coaching Michigan this conversation isn’t happening. It’s also funny how you talk about culture issues but somehow Michigan brought in top 5 to 10 national classes of players from all over the country during its worst era and most of those guys are still in the pros and are considered the hardest workers on their teams. But I guess we didn’t teach them anything about the right attitude.
This idea that a "major" problem is being held back because of a hiring decision from over a decade ago is wrong, come on. I definitely agree Rich Rod was done dirty and the program suffered. And while Hoke was out of his element, he clearly was a good recruiter. Harbaugh had some success with his players. Since then it's been a disaster and it's 100% on Harbaugh. He's the one who shuffles through coordinators. He's the one who kept trying to skip developing a QB, instead relying on average or sub par transfer QBs. This year's failures can largely be tied back to him committing to Shae again, instead of getting the younger guys some much needed experience. He wants a quick fix and is trying to half ass this thing, when it's going to take a massive effort.
I literally just blamed Harbaugh’s piss poor development in recent years so I’m not sure what you’re arguing. I gave a timeline of how it all started.
You mention Michigan being behind, yet Harbaugh is the one who insisted on an archaic offense. And he's the one who sat back and watched Don Brown do nothing to improve the defense against pretty basic pass concepts. Harbaugh has had ample time to fix this and he failed. He should have been fired or let go. A serious program would have done that. This team is 100% his, and he should live with that. What changes next year? OSU will still be better. Wisconsin will still be better. Indiana and Northwestern will be challenging. And while I'd expect us to beat MSU next season, Tucker clearly has that program back on the right course. Another 8-9 win season is not going to be excusable...yet that's what is going to happen.
