What a Women's Right to Choose really means.

[Mr. Somebody]

That is a good point. I wonder if the people who support these images have children. I am guessing that most do not.

I guarantee 99.9 percent do not. They arent even humble about it bordering on being ashamed. You have demonic trash like Mephistopheles proudly showcasing his belief that aborted babies should be used to heat hospitals and his cohorts feel empowered because hes catering to a lower level of thought processes and follow him in their expression of satanic filth. No friend no, these are not family men. These, are demons.

Its so demonic, friends.

 

[Wild self]

Abstinence and a focus on marriage is the answer. You cant have one foot in the demonic realm and one foot out, friend. The demonic filth comes with the territory.

Marriage and organized religion are dying institutions in the west due to unfair marriage laws that favor women too much and refuse to adjust to contemporary times. Like I said, practice masturbation releases a lot of sexual tension among men and women to prevent mistakes. Or use protection.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Marriage and organized religion are dying institutions in the west due to unfair marriage laws that favor women too much and refuse to adjust to contemporary times. Like I said, practice masturbation releases a lot of sexual tension among men and women to prevent mistakes. Or use protection.

I think they're dying because the culture that the demonic realm promotes caters to the lowest levels of humanity which is more appealing then the culture of good and friends, friend.

 

[Wild self]

I think they're dying because the culture that the demonic realm promotes caters to the lowest levels of humanity which is more appealing then the culture of good and friends, friend.

Or fix the unfair marriage laws that leave men broke.

 

[The Real]

*i dont care if these use those dead babies to heat the hospital* - @Mephistopheles @TheReal32

Its so demonic, friends.

People without kids just dont get it. I guess they're more happy supporting child sacrifice to the devil.

Friend, you are bringing together things that don't belong together. What you should or shouldn't do with a dead body has nothing to do with abortion, friend. Let's try to stay on topic, for friends' sakes.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Friend, you are bringing together things that don't belong together. What you should or shouldn't do with a dead body has nothing to do with abortion, friend. Let's try to stay on topic, for friends' sakes.

You're a smug little guy arent chew?

 

[The Real]

A life is being snuffed out any way you cut it.(no pun intended)

...and I never understood the "it doesnt feel pain" argument. What does that even mean? Its ok if it doesnt hurt?

Yes, single-celled and tiny multicellular formations are alive, but if you think that life is the same as a human life, then you probably never masturbate or have protected sex at all, not to mention the millions of sperm that die each time you attempt to conceive.

The pain argument is related to the consciousness argument. The zygote or embryo or fetus is not a conscious entity. That means its value as a life is not the same as the value of the life of a thinking, feeling being. That's why no one cares when you eat fruits and vegetables.

 

[The Real]

You're a smug little guy arent chew?

Not at all, friend, and I'm not sure why you think so. I just think it is unfair to pretend that what you think should be done with corpses has any connection to your views on abortion. There are many ancient cultures where corpses are burned and put back into the cycle of life. There are even some where corpses are eaten so that the tribe can retain some of the ancestor. Would you want to lump all those things in with abortion, friend?

 

[DEAD7]

Yes, single-celled and tiny multicellular formations are alive, but if you think that life is the same as a human life, then you probably never masturbate or have protected sex at all, not to mention the millions of sperm that die each time you attempt to conceive.

The pain argument is related to the consciousness argument. The zygote or embryo or fetus is not a conscious entity. That means its value as a life is not the same as the value of the life of a thinking, feeling being. That's why no one cares when you eat fruits and vegetables.

I dont think there is anything more subjective than value.

That aside, I am calling that life "human life' based on its genetic make up. Are they different? yes. Are they both human? Yes.


This is a really tough issue, and I question anyone who thinks they have "figured it out". Its a judgement call, and I don't knock either side.

 

[The Real]

I dont think there is anything more subjective than value.

That aside, I am calling that life "human life' based on its genetic make up. Are they different? yes. Are they both human? Yes.


This is a really tough issue, and I question anyone who thinks they have "figured it out". Its a judgement call, and I don't knock either side.

Of what relevance is it that values are subjective in a society where we discuss and create laws that apply to everyone?

 

[DEAD7]

Of what relevance is it that values are subjective in a society where we discuss and create laws that apply to everyone?

Spoiler

...and who has been anointed to assess that life A is unequal to life B.

 

[The Real]

Spoiler

...and who has been anointed to assess that life A is unequal to life B.

What you're asking is who gets to make laws surrounding life and death, to which the answer is the same people who make and contribute to laws about everything else. Again, I don't see why this is relevant. Collective agreements on some values are necessary for laws to exist at all.

Within that framework, the pro-choice position is the one that offers both pro-life and pro-abortion values a place.

 

[DEAD7]

What you're asking is who gets to make laws surrounding life and death, to which the answer is the same people who make and contribute to laws about everything else. Again, I don't see why this is relevant. Collective agreements on value are necessary for laws to exist.

I'm looking at abortion as a violation of those laws, and I see a value judgement being made by the pro choice side of the issue... and not just made, but used to support the position.

 

[The Real]

I'm looking at abortion as a violation of those laws, and I see a value judgement being made by the pro choice side of the issue... and not just made, but used to support the position.

Of course. Value judgments are being made by all sides. But again, a society that runs on laws runs on collective value judgments, not individual ones. Everyone has their own positions. But for the purpose of discussing laws, arguments must be made across that divide, based on logic and the existing legal frameworks and political philosophies in play. If you want to question whether anyone has the right to decide on the life of a zygote or embryo or fetus, then there should be an argument for that, too.

With all that in mind, only one position respects individual conscience and maximal individual freedom, including for people who are morally opposed to abortions, and it's the pro-choice position.

 

[HollowPoints2]

Maybe encouraging masturbation would curb the abortion rate

No,encouraging better parenting in the black will fix the problem.


How else will we compete with other races exspanding their populations.