See that's a great way to alienate your fan base. You end up gearing towards that sound and creating a weird mish mash. Sure you'll get an anomaly here and there but for the most part rappers doing this have made terrible albums.
Nah I don't think so. Hip-Hop as a whole is constantly taking from other genre's and putting/blending it together in new ways. I don't see why studying other music would be any different. Now nikkas don't need to going off trying to make the rap Dark Side of the Moon but they can see that the project is really dope and cohesive.
Nah I don't think so. Hip-Hop as a whole is constantly taking from other genre's and putting/blending it together in new ways. I don't see why studying other music would be any different. nikkas don't need to go and make the rap Dark Side of the Moon but they can see that the project is really dope and cohesive.
No that's how Hip Hop started. Reggae, Dancehall and other forms of afrobeats are great but since then it's become its own sound and the legends have solidified what Hip Hop actually is. Sure it samples other forms of music at times but you still need a certain drum pattern to flow to, you still need a hook most of the time etc.
Hip Hop has a 30 year catalogue to take inspiration from and it's the greatest form of art. Now answer me why would I take influence from an inferior genre?
I'm a firm believer that rappers don't need to listen to other rappers when making music. Listen to anything but hip-hop. Draw inspiration and influence from other genres and medians of writing.
I think the essence of hip hop is story telling and narratives. That's what made NY State of Mind so great, it painted a picture. Draw inspiration from your surroundings and expand your horizons. In this day and age, I feel like people are so scared to veer from the norm and not get a platinum record or a hit that they're saying a whole lot of nothing. It's the pressure.
Just read, get inspired, and write something worth while. You don't have to fit in, you don't have to have a hit, you can be different. And the (added) plus of being successful with it, is basically everyone probably follow the same frame work you laid for them and cementing your place in hip hop.
No that's how Hip Hop started. Reggae, Dancehall and other forms of afrobeats are great but since then it's become its own sound and the legends have solidified what Hip Hop actually is. Sure it samples other forms of music at times but you still need a certain drum pattern to flow to, you still need a hook most of the time etc.
Hip Hop has a 30 year catalogue to take inspiration from and it's the greatest form of art. Now answer me why would I take influence from an inferior genre?
So what you're saying is...current rappers shouldn't listen to other music for inspiration because they should be studying the music of the previous rappers who already did that?
So what you're saying is...current rappers shouldn't listen to other music for inspiration because they should be studying the music of the previous rappers who already did that?
Precisely. What the fukk would be wrong with that? Would a rock artist not be better if he looked at the way Hendrix played his guitar? Would a singer not be better if they looked at Freddie Mercury and analysed the way he moved crowds? Why would Hip Hop be any different? I'm not saying copy the music, I'm saying you need to look at the way these legends have created masterpieces and you need to draw your influence from it. You can't copy the Mona Lisa but you can look at the way that a certain brush was used to emphasise that, "smile." That's no different to looking at how Nas used certain syllables and rhyming patterns to paint such vivid pictures to his listeners.
Take a look at this from an outside perspective. Rappers take a lot of their inspiration from the world around them and Hip Hop is another art form in itself, it's not a mish mash of other art forms. Hip Hop and Rock are as different as cheese and chocolate so why would you take influence from one or the other and incorporate? You'd end up cooking something disgusting.
Precisely. What the fukk would be wrong with that? Would a rock artist not be better if he looked at the way Hendrix played his guitar? Would a singer not be better if they looked at Freddie Mercury and analysed the way he moved crowds? Why would Hip Hop be any different? I'm not saying copy the music, I'm saying you need to look at the way these legends have created masterpieces and you need to draw your influence from it. You can't copy the Mona Lisa but you can look at the way that a certain brush was used to emphasise that, "smile." That's no different to looking at how Nas used certain syllables and rhyming patterns to paint such vivid pictures to his listeners.
Take a look at this from an outside perspective. Rappers take a lot of their inspiration from the world around them and Hip Hop is another art form in itself, it's not a mish mash of other art forms. Hip Hop and Rock are as different as cheese and chocolate so why would you take influence from one or the other and incorporate? You'd end up cooking something disgusting.
Hendrix was an apprentice of Ernie Isley. The truth is most greats in other genres study their own. Yes, Hip Hop is a mashup of many different sounds but it is it's own thing. The reason the genre is losing is because hip hop is so young, people like to discount it as some sub-genre that needs outside influences to be creative. no, hip hop is hip hop and we've established it and taken it to the global platform. people keep talking about listening to other music....so if i want to drop an album and have been listening to hip hop all my life, now i'm supposed to get a pink floyd or steely dan album for "inspiration" so that i can tell people how eclectic and diverse i am? fukk that. hip hop artists need to study their predecessors to get better. steel sharpens steel.
Hendrix was an apprentice of Ernie Isley. The truth is most greats in other genres study their own. Yes, Hip Hop is a mashup of many different sounds but it is it's own thing. The reason the genre is losing is because hip hop is so young people like to discount it as some sub-genre that needs outside influences to be creative. no, hip hop is hip hop and we've established it and taken it to the global platform. people keep talking about listening to other music....so if i want to drop an album and have been listening to hip hop all my life, now i'm supposed to get a pink floyd or steely dan album for "inspiration" so that i can tell people how eclectic and diverse i am? fukk that. hip hop artists need to study their predecessors to get better. steel sharpens steel.
Mecca and the Soul Brother / Hard to Earn - How to lace an album w/ 1 producer - Wisdom
The Score/ It Takes a Nation - L Boogie was dropping gems all over the place - Knowledge
In My Lifetime Vol 1/2/3 & Internal Affairs - Advanced flow class - Understanding
Yea I find when I listen to rappers specifically for the purpose of inspiration you could end up mimicking them more than anything. If you wanna just learn how to rap, like who really has appropriate rhythm start with cats like g-rap, for all the other "writing" shyt, do more reading/watching stuff that really represents you and your interests and flow with that energy.
I think nearly every great rapper was a student of Hip Hop, very important to listen to others. If your authentic you won't copy and will just create your own unique style inspired by others many different elements.
This is a good thread, will revisit when able. In my experience helping artists develop exposing them to different types of Hip Hop and greats at different things is one of the most effective tools.
It Was Written for learning and fine tuning their lyrical skill, technical ability, and vocal inflection (all these new nikkas sound like gayer variations of Drake on a helium o.d.'d chipmunk scale) and how to tell a story.
Get Rich Or Die Tryin to understand how HITS can make or break an album, how to incorporate your personal story into successful singles, and put your crew on.
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy to show them to never be afraid to experiment, pick good producers & collaborators, make sure their album is sonically mastered and flows cohesively and is looked at in retrospect as a timeless bit of artwork.
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but they can see that the project is really dope and cohesive.
