What are your thoughts on the 2018 Jay-Z as a person?

[CrimsonTider]

It already has been. The biggest names in hip hop are 30 plus. And that won't be changing for quite some time. Are there delusional people who will still claim hip hop is a young man's game? Of course. But every metric of popularity has shown it's not.

That not what is meant by the the term "Young Man's game"

That term had everything to do with tenure. Jay z album only mattered to Jay z already large fanbase. The demographic that determines what is popular did not care about 4:44. Its evident in the streaming numbers.

 

[obarth]

That not what is meant by the the term "Young Man's game"

That term had everything to do with tenure. Jay z album only mattered to Jay z already large fanbase. The demographic that determines what is popular did not care about 4:44. Its evident in the streaming numbers.

"The demographic that determines what is popular" lol, what?You mean the listening public in general? For the sake of your argument, we can take Jay out of the equation and the fact still stands the most popular artists in the game are in their 30s. If you want to try to claim being in your 30s doesn't make you old in the rap game I'll gladly provide receipts for rappers and fans claiming otherwise for years. Rap is still a young genre relative to others, but it's old enough now where there is more than a lane for older rappers to not only be relevant, but to dominate. In an era of declining sales and here today gone tomorrow soundcloud rappers, nikkas 30+ are the ones keeping the genre going, with a couple of dudes in their 20's seeming like they might have what it takes to have viable careers.

 

[CrimsonTider]

"The demographic that determines what is popular" lol, what?You mean the listening public in general? For the sake of your argument, we can take Jay out of the equation and the fact still stands the most popular artists in the game are in their 30s. If you want to try to claim being in your 30s doesn't make you old in the rap game I'll gladly provide receipts for rappers and fans claiming otherwise for years. Rap is still a young genre relative to others, but it's old enough now where there is more than a lane for older rappers to not only be relevant, but to dominate. In an era of declining sales and here today gone tomorrow soundcloud rappers, nikkas 30+ are the ones keeping the genre going, with a couple of dudes in their 20's seeming like they might have what it takes to have viable careers.

As I stated earlier "Rap is young mans game" is about Tenure. When your music becomes "old" to rap fans you cease to dictate rap culture.

Jay z's music is not making an imprint on the culture anymore.

It has never been about how old you were but how long you've been rapping. The longer you have been rapping the less the 16-24 year olds (the rap demo that determines what's popular) care about you.

 

[obarth]

As I stated earlier "Rap is young mans game" is about Tenure. When your music becomes "old" to rap fans you cease to dictate rap culture.

Jay z's music is not making an imprint on the culture anymore.

It has never been about how old you were but how long you've been rapping. The longer you have been rapping the less the 16-24 year olds (the rap demo that determines what's popular) care about you.

Top 5 selling rap album last year and that's with him giving away a million albums for free. How is some made up, arbitrary demographic that spends the least amount of money the one that determines what's popular btw? Please enlighten me.

And feel free to show me examples of tenure being what people are talking about when they say rap is a young man's game as opposed to age. Because again, I can find plenty of examples of rappers and fans pinpointing ages.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Top 5 selling rap album last year and that's with him giving away a million albums for free. How is some made up, arbitrary demographic that spends the least amount of money the one that determines what's popular btw? Please enlighten me.

And feel free to show me examples of tenure being what people are talking about when they say rap is a young man's game as opposed to age. Because again, I can find plenty of examples of rappers and fans pinpointing ages.

Age has never mattered in rap.

Ofc Jay z sells a lot. He has a large dedicated fanbase but if you think Jay z sales came from the same fans that are making Migos,NBA, Uzi, T.Scott the hottest rappers in game then you're crazy.

 

[vdfebduderocks]

2018 Hov is bigger than music. There are so many people who can personally thank Hov for empowering them... day 1s, artists, athletes...

Roc Nation in itself is such a momentous business move Hov made. Foreshadowing the diminishing impact of labels in Artist Development, he pretty much created a management arm that's a pioneer.

Even expanding outside of artists, from DJs to Van Jones to DJ Khaled having one of his greatest runs in the last 3 years alone due to Roc Nation. Everyone has access to the knowledge and all the partnerships that Hov has fostered over the years.

2018 Hov helps us understand how different Jay and Dame are as business men. Now Dame is quite talented himself going a full independent route. However, Jay played a long dame while Dame was always about trying to do 100 things at once and doing it with such aggression to piss off all his business partners. Think of it this way - every single person Dame yelled at is currently doing big things right now or is working with Hov in some perspective.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

He talks in a weird voice

Jay has one of the most interesting voices I've ever heard. Never heard anything like it.

 

[Harry B]

That not what is meant by the the term "Young Man's game"

That term had everything to do with tenure. Jay z album only mattered to Jay z already large fanbase. The demographic that determines what is popular did not care about 4:44. Its evident in the streaming numbers.

What do you mean by steaming numbers? Only a few percent of hiphop were even allowed to stream his shyt. I didn’t stream it a single time, no one I knows streamed it but everyone knows the lyrics to half the album in other ways. You know that one is trolling when you say “it didn’t stream as much as certain albums on Apple Music and Spotify).

And who is the demographics because hype beast, pitchfork, Grammys, high snobiety, Kendrick Lamar and every other person dikkrode the album.

14 year old white girls and half a brain thots are not the only people in this culture kid. Jay still sells out arenas with the most expensive ticket prices ever, even without releasing pop music or fukking with every new hot artist, 30 years later.

 

[Standing on business]

That not what is meant by the the term "Young Man's game"

That term had everything to do with tenure. Jay z album only mattered to Jay z already large fanbase. The demographic that determines what is popular did not care about 4:44. Its evident in the streaming numbers.

He forfeited high streaming numbers by releasing it as a tidal exclusive. Spotify and Apple have way more customers.