What benefit is there to the cell phone industry getting rid of subsidized phones?

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When they had them they charged people $200 upfront and they had higher bills month to month. Charging them $25 or whatever a month for the phone but dropping the $200 a month upfront charge seems like a loss to me because they lower your monthly bill as a result of that.

There are people like me who buy our phones outright anyway that were getting double charged because the subsidy was baked into the contract. Now when I buy an iPhone 6s or whatever I decide I'll make a killing on them because I'll sell this iPhone 6 and it will pay for half if not more and my monthly bill will be lower than it normally would have been.
 

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Just catching the up to the rest of the world :laugh:

Why would they end contracts? Because competition. They aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. TMobile ended subsidiaries 2 years ago and recently they have seen a huge number of increased new customers

The average bill used to be $50
But with the popularity of smartphones and data usage, costs have ballooned up to ~$100 per month. The average person is unwilling to pay that and a good percentage went to prepaid services.

If you haven't noticed prepaid services have gotten significantly better. Before you got meager minutes/data and now the offerings are online with post paid plans.

The market is simply correcting himself.
 

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Just catching the up to the rest of the world :laugh:

Why would they end contracts? Because competition. They aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. TMobile ended subsidiaries 2 years ago and recently they have seen a huge number of increased new customers

The average bill used to be $50
But with the popularity of smartphones and data usage, costs have ballooned up to ~$100 per month. The average person is unwilling to pay that and a good percentage went to prepaid services.

If you haven't noticed prepaid services have gotten significantly better. Before you got meager minutes/data and now the offerings are online with post paid plans.

The market is simply correcting himself.
Most of the prepaids are really the big 4 or are operating on their networks.
 

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nikkas was prolly getting phones and skipping out on the bill. Plus the companies have to know that cellular service is unnecessary these days when you can just pop in a tablet sim and use VOIP for talk at half the price.

But OP why would you sign a contract if not for the subsidized price? :jbhmm:
 

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The problem with this model is that you still have to pay a higher monthly bill anyway on a new phone.

It hurts the carriers because they don't even get to secure the $200 upfront anymore.

Doesn't make sense to tbh, it's just to market cheaper plans when they really aren't to the majority.
 

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The problem with this model is that you still have to pay a higher monthly bill anyway on a new phone.

It hurts the carriers because they don't even get to secure the $200 upfront anymore.

Doesn't make sense to tbh, it's just to market cheaper plans when they really aren't to the majority.
does it tho? you know these carriers ate the little pre paid companies...i think sprint owns 3 of them. their metrics must be showing that theres money in that model. otherwise they wouldnt change shyt
 

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Hurt em how? Who is dropping $600 straight cash for a phone? If you want a new phone you going to pay an extra monthly fee. And it's only for well qualified people anyway. They not worried about getting burned. You cancel the service, you still got to pay for that phone. They actually making more money. used to be $200 upfront and a $200 early termination fee. Basically making the phone $400. Now phones is like $800 dollars.
 

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I only use prepaid phones now. Cut out so much stress in my life and saves me a ton of money. Never have to deal with shytty customer service people and surprise charges. Its beautiful.
 

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Yall don't even wanna see the prices for these subsidized phones in Canada. Iphone 6Plus can be as much as $600 on a minimum $70 month contract (500MB DATA).

My current contract is $58 with 1GB DAta, unlimited everything....there are cheaper plans that pop up every once in a while. I'll jump on one of those when they come out....with a phone I buy outright. Done with this subsidized crap.

Edit: I read this wrong. US is doing things differently. Seems like they just bumped up the monthly bill to compensate for the upfront phone.
 
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does it tho? you know these carriers ate the little pre paid companies...i think sprint owns 3 of them. their metrics must be showing that theres money in that model. otherwise they wouldnt change shyt
Sprint owns Boost Mobile and Virgin Mobile for sure, I think they might have their hands in 2-3 others as well. The point is that I am not really sure how it all makes sense if the sought after phones are these $600-$700 devices. In the past you are looking at a $200 down payment, a $70-$100 month bill and a $350 ETF on a high end phone.

From what I have seen so far, the "plans" are cheaper, but most people are getting new phones either yearly or on a 2 year cycle which ranges between $25-$40 a month on top of your bill...it has so far amounted to pretty much the same shyt in the end at best or an inevitable L for the consumer.

In the past worst case scenario you paid $550 for your phone, you are now asked to pay full price for the phone stretched out over 2 years and in many cases have your bill slightly higher due to the monthly payments. My friend "jumped" to T-Mobile and his bill with the Galaxy S6 payment per month is about $116 per month, his bill was a flat $88 per month for 2 years whenever he was due for an upgrade after putting the $200 down with Sprint.

On a Sprint 2 Year Plan:
$200 for a top of the line phone upgrade
$88x24 = $2,112

TOTAL = $2,312

On T-Mobile:
$116x24 = $2,784

NET LOSS to the consumer over 2 years = $472
RISK for the Provider - NO upfront $200 payment

So while T-Mobile "advertised" a cheaper overall bill, the monthly payment because of the new phone will indeed cost him more in the long run. One benefit is that he is on a stronger network and there is something to be said for that, but it doesn't look like a great deal on paper in terms of dollars and cents for those who like to stay on top of the phone game.

How is this beneficial again to the consumers? Looks like an L to me for those who want a shiny new phone every 2 years (like most people under 30 do) :yeshrug:

Customers lose because the monthly bill is higher and they pay more overall over the stretch of the generally accepted 2 year upgrade cycle.
Companies look like they lose because they don't even secure the $200 upfront from the inevitable cancellations.

The only true way to save major cash is to jump on something like CricKet, Simple Mobile or the other MNVOs that offer a $35-$40 plan and buy your phone at full price.

All this "No Contract", "No Money Down" BS looks like clever manipulation of the stated definitions. If you are agreeing to buy a phone over the course of 2 years...that is effectively a damn contract anyway :dead:
 
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