What cities have potential to be the next black mecca?

[Biscayne]

Mobile heavy on the tip, but its not that bad. And dont sleep on Bham or the Gump, Bham damn near all Black inside the city limits and even got a few Black suburbs. Bessemer by itself probably got just as many American Blacks as Dorchestor or Mattapan in Boston, and Bessemer isnt even inside Bham really. And your clearly aint never been there, plenty of Black folks there getting money. People like to call Charlotte mini ATL, but real shyt Bham is closer to a smaller ATL in terms of Black people working in positions of power or owning their own businesses, its brehs all over Bham. And Black nightlife actually isn't that bad in Alabama. I threw parties in Tuscaloosa and the Gump in my younger days, and I used to kick it Bham and even Huntsville a few times back then too. I enjoyed myself, and I'm from a city that is top 3 easily when it comes to Black nightlife. And not no juke joint shyt either, I was actaully kinda shocked at the quality of night spots I went to over there, and this was years ago. I'm sure its even better now. Alabama is full of soul, to even compare it to a white ass city like Boston is an insult breh. Seriously.



Ive been debating making some moves in Chattanooga for a minute now, thats another city that will surprise the shyt out of you.



Charlotte already is a center of Black excellence, but the Cacs up there are obsessed with not turning into another Atlanta from everything to traffic to being viewed as a Black city. And the latter reason I think is why they will always attempt to have they foot on brehs necks up there, it probably wont work, but its just another hassle you gotta deal with. That shyt like building a transit line to the richest part of the city first, and throwing the rough parts of town on the back burner is case in point what I'm talking about. Pulling stunts like that shows that even tho they trying to make moves and grow, they also trying to isolate the brehs and not let them participate in the growth, ie- not get any money. That attitude in Charlotte is why Ive been saying for years that in 20 years that city will have some of the roughest hoods in the country. Charlotte got plenty of brehs eating in corporate, but there is no middle ground for brehs who cant get those jobs, and eventually those brehs will turn to crime. Its starting to hit now, they looking at the corporate brehs and the athletes riding foreign and they want that shyt too. Charlotte will continue to have brehs eating, but I really think you wont want to see any parts of them areas in between Beatties Ford and Statesville in a decade or so

This is eerily true.....to a degree. I think I made a similar post in another thread.

Charlotte has a lovely and large black middle class. It's an A plus city to move to if you're black. But the native black population seems to be getting left out as the economy becomes geared more towards white collar work. It's TOUGH to find work if you don't know folks. But I suppose you can say the same for any city, including ATL. When Mayor Shirley decided to tear down the projects, was there not a cultural divide between poorer ATL natives and wealthier black atliens? Correct me if I'm wrong or if I sound like an uninformed idiot.

 

[Poitier]

I agree. That thread you made was on point.

I just wonder how do we get those in position to make those moves to see it this way? Are there any individuals/groups now moving in this direction?

Traveling to the various African nations and building connections with the locals on our end. Have to make contact first and that isn't currently happening at the rate it needs to.

But a lot of it is on their end. Making it easy for foreigners to own land, dual citizenship for diasporans, better infrastructure to transport goods, fair taxation of goods, etc...

 

[Rhyme n Tekniq]

Obviously everyone first thinks of ATL when black mecca is concerned, but what cities do you think have potential?

I could see

Birmingham (Black mayor, majority black pop, transportation hub, dirt cheap)

Mobile (Majority black pop, port is a transportation hub, dirt cheap, oil industry)

Memphis (Majority black pop, transportation hub, cheap, port on the Mississippi River)

Detroit had a chance but Kilpatrick fukked everything up

Your thoughts?

Memphis native checking in.

Idunno bout that my guy, the money aint really coming to the city like that. It's vastly overpopulated, employment is terrible, and Crime is gettin worse.
Aint nothing black mecca about a city that turns its most notable landmark(The pyramid) into a fukking super mall for sport-killing rednecks; Bass Pro shop. especialy when you consider the number of black and brown people in memphis That's some spiteful ass shyt. Local government is crooked as fukk anyway. Heraton was a crook, The Fords were crooks. and Wharton was a complete ass. I will say though, for the most part, the cops there arent a$$holes and are easy to deal with. especially with a majority black police force. at least in Shelby county.

Memphis has the base and potential to be a black mecca. It'll always be home but until the economy, local government and crime rate reflects that I have to disagree. It's a fukking mess, but damn do I miss my Jack Pirtle's chicken.

 

[Elfuego]

Yes its a small country ass place
but the judge is black, Mayor is black, Sheriff is black. Majority of commissioners are black. Chief of police is black in quincy
Not to mention the only predominantly black county in all of Florida

 

[Spade]

I agree about the Gulf Coast area. That shared culture could be leveraged.

I'm not sure what you disagree with about Dallas. I said it's a good place for a comfortable living and jobs for Black people. But, Black people will never be the main drivers of economic, political and social activity in Dallas. It's just not happening. Too much entrenched old cac money and young cac energy. No major HBCUs within 200 miles of the city.

Houston has more of chance to emerge as a Black Mecca than does Dallas. The constant talent streams coming out of Prairie View and TSU will mean that young, Black professionals continue to shape the culture of Houston for a long time. Not to mention all the young Black people who relocate to Houston after graduating from the HBCUs in Louisiana.

Meanwhile, young white grads from SMU, Baylor, Texas A&M, U of Oklahoma, UT Austin, Texas Tech, etc. will continue to shape the culture of Dallas.

There are a huge amount of graduates from HBCU's from Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas, and even Oklahoma that lives in the metroplex as well. Grambling is just as connected to DFW as Houston is. While I do partially agree that Blacks will likely never be the main economic drivers of the area and socially to an extent, politically, blacks have had a major influence in at least the city of Dallas. We can't ignore that the metroplex has over 1.2 million blacks. Can't ignore that the metroplex has the 2nd fastest growing black population since 1990.

 

[mamba]

There are a huge amount of graduates from HBCU's from Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas, and even Oklahoma that lives in the metroplex as well. Grambling is just as connected to DFW as Houston is. While I do partially agree that Blacks will likely never be the main economic drivers of the area and socially to an extent, politically, blacks have had a major influence in at least the city of Dallas. We can't ignore that the metroplex has over 1.2 million blacks. Can't ignore that the metroplex has the 2nd fastest growing black population since 1990.

I'm not disputing the number of Black people in Dallas at all. The Dallas-Ft Worth Metroplex in huge. But, the Black people are disjointed and spread all over the Metroplex. Closest thing to a Black enclave is south of Dallas in the Duncanville/Desoto area. Because the Black population is so spread out, they cannot bring those numbers to bear on any meaningful moves to create a Black Mecca in Dallas. Don't get me wrong. It's definitely a place to move to get a job and live comfortably. Not knocking that at all.

 

[mamba]

There are a huge amount of graduates from HBCU's from Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas, and even Oklahoma that lives in the metroplex as well. Grambling is just as connected to DFW as Houston is. While I do partially agree that Blacks will likely never be the main economic drivers of the area and socially to an extent, politically, blacks have had a major influence in at least the city of Dallas. We can't ignore that the metroplex has over 1.2 million blacks. Can't ignore that the metroplex has the 2nd fastest growing black population since 1990.

Those HBCU grads pouring into Dallas from the states you mentioned are coming from much smaller HBCUs, breh.

Compare that to the HBCUs sending grads to Atlanta, DC and Charlotte, for example.

Take Atlanta as an example. Atlanta has Morehouse, Spelman, Clark, FAMU, Tuskegee, Alabama State, Alabama A&M, Tennessee State, Albany St, Ft Valley St, Savannah St and many other neighboring HBCU grads settling in the city every year. Not to mentioned big ass semi-HBCUs such as Georgia State.

DMV and Charlotte have similar advantages as far as being magnets for HBCU grads is concerned.

 

[Spade]

I'm not disputing the number of Black people in Dallas at all. The Dallas-Ft Worth Metroplex in huge. But, the Black people are disjointed and spread all over the Metroplex. Closest thing to a Black enclave is south of Dallas in the Duncanville/Desoto area. Because the Black population is so spread out, they cannot bring those numbers to bear on any meaningful moves to create a Black Mecca in Dallas. Don't get me wrong. It's definitely a place to move to get a job and live comfortably. Not knocking that at all.

Actually, most of the Black population at least on the Dallas side of the Metroplex is on the Southern end. Basically Dallas and the South suburbs.

 

[Spade]

Those HBCU grads pouring into Dallas from the states you mentioned are coming from much smaller HBCUs, breh.

Compare that to the HBCUs sending grads to Atlanta, DC and Charlotte, for example.

Take Atlanta as an example. Atlanta has Morehouse, Spelman, Clark, FAMU, Tuskegee, Alabama State, Alabama A&M, Tennessee State, Albany St, Ft Valley St, Savannah St and many other neighboring HBCU grads settling in the city every year. Not to mentioned big ass semi-HBCUs such as Georgia State.

DMV and Charlotte have similar advantages as far as being magnets for HBCU grads is concerned.

I'd hardly call PV and Grambling small or not major though and those two have very large Dallas chapters. But I'm not comparing Atlanta to Dallas. Only city that could touch Atlanta as far as a Black mecca is concerned is DC. Just saying, I don't think Dallas is on that low end as you put it. I would pick Houston over Dallas too but I'd personally pick Dallas over cities like Memphis and Birmingham any day.

 

[mamba]

Actually, most of the Black population at least on the Dallas side of the Metroplex is on the Southern end. Basically Dallas and the South suburbs.

That's right. Desoto has a shot at becoming a power base for Black people in Dallas-Ft Worth.

 

[mamba]

I'd hardly call PV and Grambling small or not major though and those two have very large Dallas chapters. But I'm not comparing Atlanta to Dallas. Only city that could touch Atlanta as far as a Black mecca is concerned is DC. Just saying, I don't think Dallas is on that low end as you put it. I would pick Houston over Dallas too but I'd personally pick Dallas over cities like Memphis and Birmingham any day.

PV and Grambling aren't small at all. But, Houston is the natural destination city for their grads. Dallas gets its fair share, but Houston gets most of them. Same applies to Southern U, Xavier, Dillard and other HBCUs.

Dallas is a better city than Memphis or Birmingham.

But, in terms of forming a Black Mecca, Memphis would be more likely to get there than Dallas would. Birmingham to a much lesser extent.

Old cacs with long money in Dallas aren't allowing nikkas to exert power right in their backyard.

With all the nikkas who've played for the Cowboys over the years, the numerous Black people with high-level corporate gigs and that massive population of Black people in Dallas, it's obvious there are a lot more forces at work preventing the rise of a Black Mecca in Dallas.

 

[JamilALAmin]

Damn so Charlotte sound like Chicago in the 60s. Thanks for putting light on that trap

I wouldn't call it a trap tho. If you go there with the right tools you can succeed. I just think for the lower classes of our people the future there isn't bright. But I get what you saying about the Chicago angle. I'm guessing you mean from a segregation standpoint and just trying to pile all the brehs in one section and cordon them off. Never thought of it like that. I would think it would be its own thing tho, it's a down south city with some east coast influences that's border line mid Atlantic. CLT brehs got more in common with VA than they do GA. Just off that it wouldn't be Chicago, Midwest ratchet shyt and east coast ratchet shyt isn't the same. It would be more or less what DC was in the early 90s

 

[How Sway?]

This is eerily true.....to a degree. I think I made a similar post in another thread.

Charlotte has a lovely and large black middle class. It's an A plus city to move to if you're black. But the native black population seems to be getting left out as the economy becomes geared more towards white collar work. It's TOUGH to find work if you don't know folks. But I suppose you can say the same for any city, including ATL. When Mayor Shirley decided to tear down the projects, was there not a cultural divide between poorer ATL natives and wealthier black atliens? Correct me if I'm wrong or if I sound like an uninformed idiot.

Charlotte already is a center of Black excellence, but the Cacs up there are obsessed with not turning into another Atlanta from everything to traffic to being viewed as a Black city. And the latter reason I think is why they will always attempt to have they foot on brehs necks up there, it probably wont work, but its just another hassle you gotta deal with. That shyt like building a transit line to the richest part of the city first, and throwing the rough parts of town on the back burner is case in point what I'm talking about. Pulling stunts like that shows that even tho they trying to make moves and grow, they also trying to isolate the brehs and not let them participate in the growth, ie- not get any money. That attitude in Charlotte is why Ive been saying for years that in 20 years that city will have some of the roughest hoods in the country. Charlotte got plenty of brehs eating in corporate, but there is no middle ground for brehs who cant get those jobs, and eventually those brehs will turn to crime. Its starting to hit now, they looking at the corporate brehs and the athletes riding foreign and they want that shyt too. Charlotte will continue to have brehs eating, but I really think you wont want to see any parts of them areas in between Beatties Ford and Statesville in a decade or so

this pretty much sums up the cities in North Carolina. If you're educated its great but if not, its pretty awful. And the public transit here sucks so you're pretty much stuck to a certain jobs nearby if you dont have a car

 

[Tribal Outkast]

this pretty much sums up the cities in North Carolina. If you're educated its great but if not, its pretty awful. And the public transit here sucks so you're pretty much stuck to a certain jobs nearby if you dont have a car

Yep. You either eating good, doing ok, or you just added out in Charlotte. It all depends on your education level or hustle.

 

[JamilALAmin]

This is eerily true.....to a degree. I think I made a similar post in another thread.

Charlotte has a lovely and large black middle class. It's an A plus city to move to if you're black. But the native black population seems to be getting left out as the economy becomes geared more towards white collar work. It's TOUGH to find work if you don't know folks. But I suppose you can say the same for any city, including ATL. When Mayor Shirley decided to tear down the projects, was there not a cultural divide between poorer ATL natives and wealthier black atliens? Correct me if I'm wrong or if I sound like an uninformed idiot.

There is class-ism in Atlanta among Black folks, wont even front. And its not even color based like some other southern cities, its all about where you went to school, who you know, and how much money you got among that circle here. But even with that, the single thing that separated us from other cities was one simple but fukking HUGE factor-The airport. We had Black leaders with vision back in the day that even tho they were from the elite circle, they knew that their fellow brothers who wasn't as fortunate was going to have to have a way to make decent LEGAL money. And they structured the airport in such a way thru corporate partnerships and city ordinances along with leveraging the cities location and history of transportation into something that would feed brehs pretty much for the foreseeable future. I dont think brehs not from the A realize how big the airport is, its one of the busiest and largest in the world and that whole area is full of entry level jobs you dont need a degree for. On the side I came up on, brehs going to college was def in the minority. If you wasn't running the streets, you went to HJIA and got a job either at the airport itself or one of the warehouses/businesses around it. It's like our port breh, shyt it basically is an inland port really. I can't walk thru the airport without seeing somebody I grew up with working in there, catching a flight for me is always like a baby HS reunion. And the city itself is gentrifying, rent going up like crazy, but areas like Decatur and Clayco aint going no where and if you a breh with no degree who gets on at Delta slinging bags, you can be a 40K nikka with a townhouse in Riverdale with a Charger in the driveway if you grind right for a few years. Thats not a bad life for a dude who came up with them circumstances if you ask me. Hellava lot better outlook for that same type of breh than in other cities.