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so this were u dudes went
I'd like to see swave vs Mook
mook dont want that type of problem
What does Mook have to do to have a good showing next battle?
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mook dont want that type of problem
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
and i still dont get your point, this discussion is about mook translating over to today, not every old school battle rapper.
in comparison, i dont think millz would translate well today either
but lux is lyrical enough to adjust
and serious jones is funny, clever and witty enough to adjust
mook is none of that. he comes across as a arrogant a$$hole trying to prove how he ahead of everybody else and how whoever in front of him aint real or whatever.
in reality he not this tough street dude he a college student. and without all those other elements of being bar heavy, witty, clever, funny etc. he just didnt translate well to today. he would have to do a whole 180 to make in todays game.
Suicide King
#OldBlack
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
dude you dont even have a point in this
and again why do you keep pointing out millz ,lux and serious?
the debate is not how any old school dude would translate we just talking about mook
do you even have a argument against that?
Corner I agree with you to an extent but I think you going too far, Mook held his own vs Lux even though he lost. Theres plenty of people that would say he won and nobody thinks he got bodied and you think he cant beat certain of the lamer pg cats? hes not e ness. I also think Millz could battle today easily, probably better than any "legend" except Lux.
I think Solomon was a terrible opponent for summer madness and i think Mook was too boring but he still had the lyrical skill, his rounds were constructed technically very well. I wouldnt completely count him out, though I could also see him falling on his face again, its up in the air imo
I think Mook has to battle Math, its the only thing people will respect. and then take his chances write the best shyt he ever wrote.
I think Solomon was a terrible opponent for summer madness and i think Mook was too boring but he still had the lyrical skill, his rounds were constructed technically very well. I wouldnt completely count him out, though I could also see him falling on his face again, its up in the air imo
I think Mook has to battle Math, its the only thing people will respect. and then take his chances write the best shyt he ever wrote.
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
on record, im not totally counting him out, and im not making a judgement call on his whole career, im strictly talking how he would translate today
and imo, due to the fact i sat through that hour long debacle that was mook vs solomon i came to a few conclusions
1. mook in that battle is the same mook he been all his career. but back then it was just about dropping verses. today is a new game and a new day. just dropping mixtape verse wont hold up with anybody.
2. mook strategy everytime he steps in front of anybody is always the same. i will attempt to expose something about you, meanwhile discredit your street ties and you as a person while attempting to make himself look real. that has been mook from the beginning.
3.when you on a street corner or in a clothing store barber shop whatever, those rounds might carry over better vs a opponent who just dumping mixtape verses towards mook. but now in todays game, guys got slow it downs, double meanings, punchlines that carry more weight, guys who are in the url are more witty, funny, clever, mook is pretty basic in these areas. he always has been.
so if mook gets in the ring with some of these new killers and he attempts to come with the same strategy and his best bars are "what that u haul would cost" or "it all remains to be seen like fossils", standing in front of a jc, or b magic, or chilla , or swave, or o red, mook would die
im not attempting to rule him out of being able to adjust, i just havent seen anything from basically the young hot battle and the solomon battle that tells me he would adjust successfully enough to clash with these killers
math has grown and adjusted and he would wash mook. so mook next battle he would have to show me something different
fam diddy wanted to leave......think about that, diddy wanted to leave!
and imo, due to the fact i sat through that hour long debacle that was mook vs solomon i came to a few conclusions
1. mook in that battle is the same mook he been all his career. but back then it was just about dropping verses. today is a new game and a new day. just dropping mixtape verse wont hold up with anybody.
2. mook strategy everytime he steps in front of anybody is always the same. i will attempt to expose something about you, meanwhile discredit your street ties and you as a person while attempting to make himself look real. that has been mook from the beginning.
3.when you on a street corner or in a clothing store barber shop whatever, those rounds might carry over better vs a opponent who just dumping mixtape verses towards mook. but now in todays game, guys got slow it downs, double meanings, punchlines that carry more weight, guys who are in the url are more witty, funny, clever, mook is pretty basic in these areas. he always has been.
so if mook gets in the ring with some of these new killers and he attempts to come with the same strategy and his best bars are "what that u haul would cost" or "it all remains to be seen like fossils", standing in front of a jc, or b magic, or chilla , or swave, or o red, mook would die
im not attempting to rule him out of being able to adjust, i just havent seen anything from basically the young hot battle and the solomon battle that tells me he would adjust successfully enough to clash with these killers
math has grown and adjusted and he would wash mook. so mook next battle he would have to show me something different
fam diddy wanted to leave......think about that, diddy wanted to leave!
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
and the reason i dont think millz would look good now is because he was great for his time, dumping those mixtape verses
now you have to have a lot more to your repertoire. serious jones did well cause he always been a jokester. so him performing would be no issue.
lux is a great lyricist, so he would always do great as long as he delivered in that area cause thats what most expect from him
but millz is decent on that level but i question could he bring those other elements to perform in front of a large crowd and deliver those bars to mesmerize a audience.
now you have to have a lot more to your repertoire. serious jones did well cause he always been a jokester. so him performing would be no issue.
lux is a great lyricist, so he would always do great as long as he delivered in that area cause thats what most expect from him
but millz is decent on that level but i question could he bring those other elements to perform in front of a large crowd and deliver those bars to mesmerize a audience.
Reason I think Millz would do good, he got battle rap swagger no homo, and i think he could make the adjustment.
As for Mook, I completely agree if he going up against what is the top 5 today which you mentioned he would get washed in all likelihood. But theres still a chance for him cause hes a talented writer imo but he has to be less boring. Math would wash him but I think Mook has no choice, Im not respecting him battling Calicoe and beating him after that terrible sm2 performance. He gotta at least battle Math and even if he loses but puts on a good performance I think his legacy would improve
Suicide King
#OldBlack
The fact remains only 2 of the new cats are kind of impressive. I try to be entertained by today's battle emcees, but Smack DVDs and battles back in the day had a whole different feel and the environment was much more different. 5-10 years ago you even non battle/non punchline emcees like Ar-Ab, Reed Dollarz and Hell Rell battling. Also, the battle scene was heavy with Philly and Harlem cats, so the battles were more intense, memorable, and had more personality. Battles these days come out flat, and feels like it is missing something. The scene in 2013 feels more saturated, even though you have less notable battle emcees.
So, what we have is a "wack ass" Mook who was active when the waters were much more dangerous and gets respect from some of his most formidable foes. Serious Jones had trouble with a weak asss Charlie Clips, but he supposed to cause Mook problems? Am I missing something? Mook is supposed to have problems in this weak era?
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
Anybody thinking the smack dvd era was better are just old heads holding on to the past.
There is a reason battle rap is bigger than its ever been and that is because the quality of battles and battle rappers have far surpassed those in the smack dvd era.
And I was there for both eras so I'm not clueless to it.
You need a ton more personality, cleverness, wittyness, lyrical talent, original angles of attack to survive in this era. Trying to deny that is idiotic.
Back on the dvd it was just a ton of gun bars and drug selling concepts. Everybody was saying the same shyt basically. Now a days these dudes have whole characters for themselves, slogans, angles of attack. shyt waay better now. These dudes really put on shows now
Again, diddy wanted to leave, the crowd there left early, the youtube had more dislikes than likes all that is not a punchline that is real facts.
A guy with potential to do well in this era don't look that piss poor horrible.
There is a reason battle rap is bigger than its ever been and that is because the quality of battles and battle rappers have far surpassed those in the smack dvd era.
And I was there for both eras so I'm not clueless to it.
You need a ton more personality, cleverness, wittyness, lyrical talent, original angles of attack to survive in this era. Trying to deny that is idiotic.
Back on the dvd it was just a ton of gun bars and drug selling concepts. Everybody was saying the same shyt basically. Now a days these dudes have whole characters for themselves, slogans, angles of attack. shyt waay better now. These dudes really put on shows now
Again, diddy wanted to leave, the crowd there left early, the youtube had more dislikes than likes all that is not a punchline that is real facts.
A guy with potential to do well in this era don't look that piss poor horrible.
Suicide King
#OldBlack
I think I'm looking at the sportsmanship, you looking for showmanship. This is what I was trying to figure out, it makes a lot of sense now.
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
I think I'm looking at the sportsmanship, you looking for showmanship. This is what I was trying to figure out, it makes a lot of sense now.
you cant go that route either
these dudes today are lyrically better from every aspect too
Suicide King
#OldBlack
you cant go that route either
these dudes today are lyrically better from every aspect too
Yeah, lyrics are good, yadda, yadda, yadda...
But I figure when dudes have whole characters for themselves, slogans, angles of attack that appeals to you more.
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
Yeah, lyrics are good, yadda, yadda, yadda...
But I figure when dudes have whole characters for themselves, slogans, angles of attack that appeals to you more.
its not either or, its a whole package
all that "its about the bars" shyt sound good on paper but the reality is now a days everybody got bars. what separates the great from the dudes on ahat is the fact they have the whole package they do it all.
mook dont.
Suicide King
#OldBlack
It was crazy back in the days because Philly and Harlem both had huge moments, and this was at the core of the battle scene, it felt very organic.
Now I know what to look for dudes today in terms of battle rappers having whole characters for themselves, slogans, angles of attack, etc.
I think maybe I'm out of touch.
