What does Victor do better than Bol Bol?

[MicIsGod]

He had some decent moments last year. Really Bad defensive awareness though. Surprised if he doesn’t get another look. He can somewhat score at will 15 feet and in. He’s terrified of making mistakes though because he gets pulled every time he does.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

He had some decent moments last year. Really Bad defensive awareness though. Surprised if he doesn’t get another look. He can somewhat score at will 15 feet and in. He’s terrified of making mistakes though because he gets pulled every time he does.

He'd fit a team like the Nets that's not even looking to compete and just throw him out there for 30 mins a game cause they can afford to let him go through growing pains

 

[Don Homer]

He'd fit a team like the Nets that's not even looking to compete and just throw him out there for 30 mins a game cause they can afford to let him go through growing pains

he's not gonna learn to work hard and put in effort by going to a team that's trying to lose games

if he's not gonna find the motivation to play on franchises that were looking to compete like Denver and PHX, he's never gonna get it

He's not gonna learn to do the dirty playing for teams whose sole purpose for the season is to not do the dirty work

 

[mastermind]

If he was merely bad on defense he'd be a starter cause he's so legit offensively. There's a big difference between bad and unplayable. Again, a mediocre team like the Suns desperate for talent have no use for him

For me, I think defense is just mentality. Especially at his height.

If he was a better rim protector and tried on defense, he would be a nailed on rotational player.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

For me, I think defense is just mentality. Especially at his height.

If he was a better rim protector and tried on defense, he would be a nailed on rotational player.

He can't really guard any position. He can't guard 4s or 5s cause he's just too slow laterally and not physical enough - even ignoring his defensive IQ. He'll get a few blocks because he's 7'2" but he's not a defensive presence anywhere.

He plays like a really tall 2, to be honest.

 

[mastermind]

He can't really guard any position. He can't guard 4s or 5s cause he's just too slow laterally and not physical enough - even ignoring his defensive IQ. He'll get a few blocks because he's 7'2" but he's not a defensive presence anywhere.

He plays like a really tall 2, to be honest.

Not being able to guard isn’t the same as not trying to guard.

If he had the motor, he would be on a multi year because he has good offensive talent and size.

I am not saying Bol Bol is going to be a star or an elite bench option. I’m only saying he would be on a court because teams know he can work and has good offensive talent.

 

[MyApps]

Just pair him with Wemby and call it a day.

What exactly are teams gonna do to him offensively if they also gotta worry about Wemby on the back end?

 

[Everythingg]

ur outta your mind

your comparison makes no sense. Kerr was a guy who played his role well for years. He would guard smaller players, shoot threes when necessary, but he was a ball mover mostly.

Guys like Kerr and Allen stuck to their roles. Thats why they were important pieces on good teams. Allen was important on the celtics and he was a huge part of their culture during the Grit and Grind era of the Grizzlies. Same with Kerr in Arizona, Chicago and San Antonio

Guys like Lou Will and Crawford are the same black hole offensive players that look mostly to score. and they dont even do that efficiently and when the playoffs come, they always play worse. Bol Bol doesn't have the motor to be a winner. This has been his problem since he got in the league, and it hasn't gotten better. There are tons of no-offense guys that arent winning players. Again, to be a winning player, YOU MUST DO THE LITTLE THINGS. U need to have that Caruso/PJ Tucker/Lu Mbah A Moute mindset. Lou Will, Crawford, Bol Bol, etc don't have that mindset, That's why come playoff time, they get rolled every year because they don't have an actual game.

Knock it off Steve Kerr was a bad defender and you know it. He also didn't do the little things you're complaining that Lou Will/Jamal Crawford didn't do yet is still looked at as a winning player because of the things he did well.

It is what it is. This all started because you thought it was ridiculous that people would be fans of certain players like them and I pointed out that people are fans of them because of the way they played. You then called them losers for playing the roles they were put in position to play (scorer off the bench) and I think that it's lazy to automatically call all offense no defense players loser. Could you name all defense no offense type players that are losers?

You shouldn't be this pressed over a guy like Bol Bol being out of the league. It was obvious he wasn't gonna last after seeing him in denver. But people think they know more than the head coaches, assistant coaches, player development staff and video guys. He bounced from team to team for a reason

Saying Im pressed about a millionaire playing or not playing a game is crazy. I was just pointing out that he's shown enough to be a consistent role player somewhere in the league but there seems to be some behind the scenes politics going on. What else do you call it when the suns were better offensively/defensively with him on the court vs him being off and he gave the better production than any other player at his position yet still got benched?

If you still say "its because of his motor" than this just sounds like the modern day version of "TMac is lazy because he has a lazy eye" from back in the day Im not saying he's flawless, but he's shown enough good to clearly show he's better than the 13th man that barely plays every other 3 game.

 

[mastermind]

Knock it off Steve Kerr was a bad defender and you know it. He also didn't do the little things you're complaining that Lou Will/Jamal Crawford didn't do yet is still looked at as a winning player because of the things he did well.

Steve Kerr wasn’t a bad defender, had a high bball IQ and a motor:

STRAIGHT SHOOTER

Two of his dinner companions have ordered draft beers served in yard-tall glasses, and Steve Kerr, the Chicago Bulls' boyish-looking, 31-year-old

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With his frail-looking (6'3", 181-pound) frame, freckled face and milky skin, Kerr can walk onto any playground in the country with no chance of being picked first. Yet two nights after his escapade with Rodman, he's at the Continental Airlines Arena defending New Jersey Nets rookie guard Kerry Kittles in crunch time. All over America, whenever quicker, stronger gym rats see Kerr in action, they must wonder, How can that guy be out there instead of me?

That's a question even Kerr concedes is valid. It is why, he says, "I don't have any fans my age. Almost all of my fans are either grandmothers who think I look like their grandsons or eight-year-old boys, who can relate to me."

Even so, Kerr has carved out a niche as one of the NBA's best long-range shooters; his career percentage from behind the three-point line, .475 through Sunday, is the best in league history. (For punctuation, this year he won the Long Distance Shootout during All-Star weekend.) His signature shooting style--quick jump, arm and fingers fully extended, hair flying--is one born of a million practice shots. The Houston Rockets' Charles Barkley recently said that if he had to pick one player to sink a game-winning shot, it would be Kerr. And Kerr's reaction? "I thought he was joking." (Edit: article came out two months before the 1997 NBA finals)

But Kerr couldn't have lasted nine years in the NBA--and become a key (though, at $750,000 this season, relatively low-paid) role player on the league's best team--without displaying other attributes. He rarely turns the ball over, and, says Jackson, "he's a real conscious person. His awareness level is high, and he doesn't get easily rattled." At both ends of the floor Kerr is as active as a mouse in a maze. Though he lacks quickness and would figure to be a defensive liability, he makes bigger, stronger, quicker players at least work for their points.

bad defenders don't play for defensive coaches like Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich and win four titles. Kerr was on the court in the fourth quarter of finals games. He guardes Stockton in 97 and 98.

 

[The God Poster]

Bol Bol stans

 

[VegetasHairline]

Bol Bol stans

He's this generation's Anthony Randolph.

 

[staticshock]

I’d take him on the hawks

 

[The God Poster]

I’d take him on the hawks

Y’all been trotting out the player formerly known as Clint Capella of course you’d take him

 

[Everythingg]

Steve Kerr wasn’t a bad defender, had a high bball IQ and a motor:

STRAIGHT SHOOTER

Two of his dinner companions have ordered draft beers served in yard-tall glasses, and Steve Kerr, the Chicago Bulls' boyish-looking, 31-year-old

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bad defenders don't play for defensive coaches like Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich and win four titles. Kerr was on the court in the fourth quarter of finals games. He guardes Stockton in 97 and 98.

So because you need to be right you're gonna cap now?

Kerr was skinny and slow footed but played in good defensive systems that covered for him. But he's still considered a winner because of the things he actually did well. My point was that defensively limited offensive players can be considered winners just like offensively limited defensive players are.

The Suns were better offensively/defensively with Bol on the court vs off, he produced more than any other player at his position, and he still got benched to playing every other 3 games. I've only said he's shown enough ON court to be given consistent role player minutes at the least and they've been arguing against it solely based on him NOT getting minutes on different teams

 

[mastermind]

Kerr was skinny and slow footed but played in good defensive systems that covered for him

Look at your post and then look at what you said earlier. Then look at what I said.

He wasn’t a bad defender. I never said he was all world.

And what does “defensive schemes that covered for him“ mean? What did the Bulls do to cover for Kerr? They never doubled anyone, so explain it.