If that were the case it would be in place
. Owners aint tryna be stuck with nikkas that underperform either.
What if the NBA made a rule that players signed to supermax couldn't be moved?
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. Owners aint tryna be stuck with nikkas that underperform either.You end it by estsblishing quality teams and cultures so players arent itching to leave and having some fukking nuts if they do. If you trade a nikka that just signed a 4 or 5 year deal, to the place he wants, without getting a kings ransom...thats on the FO not the player.
1968 Sixers were the defending champions with 31yo HOF Wilt Chamberlain, 31yo HOF Hal Greer, 27yo HOF Chet Walker, and 24yo HOF Billy Cunningham, plus Luke Jackson who had been an all-star 3 years earlier. Yet when they lost to the Celtics in 7 in the EDF, Wilt said he would retire from the NBA unless they traded him to Los Angeles to join forces with Jerry West and Elgin Baylor.
1975 Bucks were coming off of a Finals appearance where they had taken the Celtics juggernaut to 7 games, had a title in hand, and had MVP Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, All-Star / future HOF Bob Dandridge, All-Star Jim Price, and All-Star George Thompson. Yet when they missed the playoffs that year, KAJ demanded a trade to a Laker team that missed the playoffs the next year even with him.
1996 Magic were the defending East champs with MVP candidate Shaq, MVP candidate Penny, former All-Star Horace Grant, and a great swing trio of Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson, and Brian Shaw. Shaq left them anyway for more money in Los Angeles.
2016 Thunder had MVP candidate and future HOF Kevin Durant, MVP candidate and future HOF Russ Westbrook, and a solid supporting cast that had just taken the Warriors to 7 in the WCF. Yet Durant still ditched them to join the Warriors.
2019 Raptors had future HOF Kwahi Leonard, All-Star Kyle Lowry, All-Star Pascal Siakim, and a deep supporting cast with good coaching and a strong culture....and they had just won the fukking title! Yet Kawhi still ditched them for Los Angeles.
2023 Sixers have the current MVP and future HOF Joel Embiid, all-star and future HOF James Harden, and rising star Tyrese Maxey. Yet Harden still demanded a trade to go to Los Angeles.
Claiming that "developing a quality team" will convince players to stay just isn't true. Only one team can win a title every year, does that automatically mean all 29 other front offices did something wrong? I mean, Wilt and Kawhi fukking left just after they HAD won a title.
Just look at any list of the 10 greatest players. MJ, Bron, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kobe....what do you see? 60% of that list played for the Lakers, and the only one who was actually drafted by them was Magic who says he purposely left college early solely because the Lakers won the 1st pick. Kobe forced his way there during the draft by refusing to play for anyone else, Wilt and Kareem demanded trades to that specific destination, Shaq and Bron went there in free agency despite coming from teams that had just been in the Finals. NONE of those stars got to the Lakers "organically".
If you don't give teams an advantage, then everyone is going to keep ending up in the same few destinations.
I still haven't heard anyone coming up with the alternate proposal for how to deal with players who sign these huge contracts to "stay" with their team, then demand a trade the next season so they can all bunch up on the same squad.
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KD and Harden will probably be the major offenders that get a proposal for obligated time if you sign a supermax.
another option would be that if you sign a supermax, you're penalized if you get moved prior to 3 years of signing.
overall, Teams should invest into their organizations enough that it offsets whatever lack of amenities that their city does not have that warrants player movement.
another option would be that if you sign a supermax, you're penalized if you get moved prior to 3 years of signing.
overall, Teams should invest into their organizations enough that it offsets whatever lack of amenities that their city does not have that warrants player movement.
The advantage is you dont have to trade them. No player is gonna sit for 4 or 5 years.
Everything pre KD was from a time when you could make more money in certain markets. That time has passed. Pre Bron it was a yearly tradition of the Lakers pursuing a star and getting curved. Knicks got Melo to show for this century.
KD is on his 4th team and none were tradiotinal glamour franchises. He went to GSW because of how good they were. And he is just a different type of dude. Harden is a straight up flake. Kawhi actually doesnt fit your point as he was traded to a place he didn't want to go in the last year of his deal and left as a FA and chose the lesser LA squad.
All that said, I personally dont see players staying as a big issue. In any other field if you are at the absolute top of your profession you go where you want. Athletes are already limited in this regard. I aint mad if they flex the little bit of control they have in comparison to their peers.
Imagine saying the best lawyer in the world gotta stay at the firm he started at...that he aint even pick. Imagine saying the best singer had to stay at this one label that, again, they didnt pick. Only in sports to we cling to these long abondoned notions of loyalty and staying in one place.
Because there isn’t one under the current parameters and system in place there truly viable. The unintended consequence of what you’re asking for is that you’d be penalizing teams who have multi max players on their rosters
Besides neither the players nor owners would go for what you’re asking for. If you’re going to do what you’re asking, then you’ve have to lax the financial penalties for teams like Minnesota who is about to run into cap hell and have to make a decision on who to move.
You’d also be essentially telling someone like Denver with three max players that they can’t move someone like MPJ and instead pay the penalties that come along with being over the cap.
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Don’t know if it would be legal…
but how about if you sign a Superman but force your way out before playing 50% of your contract your take a steep reduction in salary
your 5/197 turns into 5/125
but something does need to happen
but how about if you sign a Superman but force your way out before playing 50% of your contract your take a steep reduction in salary
your 5/197 turns into 5/125
but something does need to happen
Players would say fukk outta here to that deal and rightfully so.
So the owners would be able to move those players with no financial penalties, but if the player asks out then they’d have to take a major paycut.
But that’s essentially penalizing teams who did what they were supposed to do in hitting their draft picks and developing them. Even Orlando is about to run into that situation here soon with Paolo and Wagner. Minnesota as well as they essentially have three max players as well including Rudy.What I'd say to that is decisions have consequences.
What OP is clamoring for is fine, but teams are going to rightfully ask for the financial penalties and tax to lessen if they’re forced to keep those players on the roster and still have to field a team around them.
Which again is what those teams did is it not? At least they aren’t like Detroit stuck in the lottery for years and still can’t get it right.Yeah, that's why they created things like salary caps and drafts ...
They did what they were supposed to do and why the draft was creating in the first place.
Let’s not act like this isn’t a complaint with the new system in place.
When I was talking about drafts, I was talking about drafts being used to bring about fairness.
I was referring to winning teams getting worse picks or even the whole concept of the draft to not have teams with money or leverage using that to get players.
Salary caps are not just used to control spending but are also supposed to be used to split up good teams. Teams with a lot of good players are supposed to have a tough time keeping them all because they're not supposed to be able to pay them all their worth ... thus they go to other teams in free agency.