What is a "Black Conservative"?
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B!tchuoffendingme
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We have to divorce the meaning of Black conservative from Black Republican, even if theres huge overrlap between the two.
Black Republicans like Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas promote conservative values, but they do it with White supremacist talking points about Black "moral shortcomings", "failure", "laziness" and "cultural pathology"
They falsely claim that racism isnt holding back Black progress and they promote the malicious lie that Black people's problems would go away if we just "tried harder" and suffered through White racism in silence.
They ignore the history of Black people doing just that & getting lynched or having their communities wrecked and plundered anyway, (Black Wall Street? Rosewood?) which is why they all have a collective amnesia about the last 150 years of history and pretend that issues of institutional racism were largely solved in the 60s.
Black conservatives who aint on that Republican bullshyt want to confront White supremacy, while conserving the traditional Black family unit and promote a return to the era of Black business ownership and money circulated within the community. They believe Black people should develop a separate economy and unlike Black liberals, theyre not gung ho about racial integration in White neighbourhoods, schools and White owned businesses.
Theres an ongoing tension between pro-Black conservatives and pro Black liberals, because Black liberals want to champion liberal causes, like LGBT rights, racial integration, feminism, immigrant rights, and environmentalism while pro Black conservatives think all those causes just end up dissipating energy that should be going toward Black community enrichment and empowerment.
Black Republicans like Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas promote conservative values, but they do it with White supremacist talking points about Black "moral shortcomings", "failure", "laziness" and "cultural pathology"
They falsely claim that racism isnt holding back Black progress and they promote the malicious lie that Black people's problems would go away if we just "tried harder" and suffered through White racism in silence.
They ignore the history of Black people doing just that & getting lynched or having their communities wrecked and plundered anyway, (Black Wall Street? Rosewood?) which is why they all have a collective amnesia about the last 150 years of history and pretend that issues of institutional racism were largely solved in the 60s.
Black conservatives who aint on that Republican bullshyt want to confront White supremacy, while conserving the traditional Black family unit and promote a return to the era of Black business ownership and money circulated within the community. They believe Black people should develop a separate economy and unlike Black liberals, theyre not gung ho about racial integration in White neighbourhoods, schools and White owned businesses.
Theres an ongoing tension between pro-Black conservatives and pro Black liberals, because Black liberals want to champion liberal causes, like LGBT rights, racial integration, feminism, immigrant rights, and environmentalism while pro Black conservatives think all those causes just end up dissipating energy that should be going toward Black community enrichment and empowerment.
Link?I was just watching that Claud Anderson lecture.
I'm still moderate on abortion
TBH, I could never see myself being P-C all the way through.
@CashmereEsquire Here is your answer.
Anybody who is a black conservative who ain't on that Republican bullshyt, is probably considered a hotep by shea butter twitter on social media.
So you would consider malcolm x a conservative?
AlainLocke
Banned
Most strands of Black Nationalism and even this "Pro-Black" / Hotep shyt is conservative....
Conservative as fukk....
So yeah...early Malcolm was super conservative. Post NOI Malcolm X was more left leaning...
iFightSeagullsForBread
The Working Class Hero
Basically a group of people who adopted or assimilated into the values of America and manage to see past the eons of transgressions that conservative and liberal policies and practices have had on them as an individual. Juan Williams and Thomas Sowell come to mind to me.
But I honestly think that Black conservatives who are to some extent racially conscious live in this ideological catch 22 particularly with the rise of (granted fringe at this point) extreme right wing and nationalist populism ideologies rearing their unneeded head because essentially that's apart of their beliefs that they in a sense have adopted just a more toned down equivalent.
Like anything in politics tho it's never that cut and dry. A Lot of philosophies and personal beliefs tend to overlap a lot.
As an example, your Khalid Muhammads of yesteryear and Richard Spencer's of today would find a lot of common ground despite what we'd think to be contrary.
But I honestly think that Black conservatives who are to some extent racially conscious live in this ideological catch 22 particularly with the rise of (granted fringe at this point) extreme right wing and nationalist populism ideologies rearing their unneeded head because essentially that's apart of their beliefs that they in a sense have adopted just a more toned down equivalent.
Like anything in politics tho it's never that cut and dry. A Lot of philosophies and personal beliefs tend to overlap a lot.
As an example, your Khalid Muhammads of yesteryear and Richard Spencer's of today would find a lot of common ground despite what we'd think to be contrary.
To attach Black infront of Liberal, Conservative, Republican, etc. to me implies you are a black person aligning yourself to white idealogies.
As a black person if you are creating or doing something based on your own thoughts and traditions you should not need to attach black to the term or even if you did you still wouldnt align yourself with the white umbrella of what you claim to be.
You cant use western definitions of something to describe your belief and in the same breath say you aren't for the system that created the definition of what you are indirectly aligning yourself with.
I mean conceptually the NOI and KKK agreed that Blacks and whites needed to be seperated but the NOI did not call themselves Black Democrats or Black republicans if you catch my drift. They created an entirely new entity that housed their ideals and values, when I hear people say Im a "black republican" or "black conservative" it sounds to me you are sayig "im black and align with this white political movement".
I think it is one thing to find similarities between two seperate ideals and another thing to be a "black ______". Adding the Black prefix to me says you are simply confirming you are a black persob who aligns with whatever the suffix is.
Keep in mind this thread is not to debate who is right or wrong but more so to confirm or not if all of this is just saying you are a black person who aligns with a white ideology.
Yes dear
UpAndComing
Veteran
Black Conservatives are almost as lost as Black liberals